"Crossing Euphrates"

On that day Jehovah concluded with Abram a covenant, saying: “To your seed I will give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates." -- Genesis 15:18


According to the Bible, Jehovah provided much needed INSPIRED LEADERSHIP in the first century and in ancient times (like in the days of Moses), and yet are we to believe He refuses to see the need of providing it in our day and time??? Does this make sense to you? Does this seem consistent to you? (See John 16:13, 14)
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The thought of Jesus making a "return," a second "coming" in the 1st century is completely foreign to the minds of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It would be extremely difficult to reconcile these views with those previously taught by the Watchtower Society to them.

But, sometimes, when the "facts" are examined...we must re-open our minds, to ideas that were previous to now, very foreign, strange to us...and the facts speak for themselves...Jesus did return in the first century. But much proof needs to be presented to make such an assertion to one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Still, there are very powerful scriptural passages that do more than "suggest" this idea...but point blank PROVE IT!

Now, before we go any farther, someone, a well-informed Jehovah’s Witness will say:

"You think Jesus is not coming back again...in our 21st century…what about the teachings in the book of Revelation...the 1,000 year reign, the abyssing of Satan...these things haven't occurred...Jesus has to carry these things out, right?"

Again, the answer is Yes…this is correct...and I do agree...

But, but, but, Jesus can accomplish all of the above and yet this NOT be considered as an official “Second Coming,” Why?

Actually, what we, as Jehovah's Witnesses, weren't aware of, yes, didn't know, is that neither Paul, nor first century Christians, as a congregation, EVER REFER to such magnificent events referred to above, such glorious activity of Christ stated above, as being the "second coming of Christ," or shall we say the "parousia," of Christ. They did not think this as being those events at all.

First Century Christians did not think in terms of this being the second parousia [or erchomai] of Christ at all, when Jesus would indeed do away with the governments of man and usher in the 1,000 year reign of peace.
No, they didn't.

Now, how can we prove this?

Let's look at 1 Corinthians 15:23, 24 which says:

"But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence/coming [parousia]. Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power."
Paul, as we know, is describing the different "resurrections" that God is to perform, and has performed...he gives proof that God does purpose to "resurrect" many back to life. He describes three (3) resurrections. He gives us the time when these "resurrections" are performed.

1. Christ's Personal resurrection – obviously occurred in the 1st century

2. "Christians" at his second "parousia" or second coming – thus far an undefined period of time.

3. The "END" -- when the final resurrection is performed by Christ...the graves are emptied.

Three different "resurrections" at three different times periods. Now, we’re not really focusing on the resurrections that much in this discussion as we’re basically seeking to establish how first century Christians THOUGHT of such matters…the second “coming” of Christ.

Did you notice that Paul says one "resurrection" was to occur at his "parousia," and one during the "end"? Did you notice that?

Yes, one resurrection at Christ's "parousia," and one at the "end," ...one at the "end." So, then the "parousia" of Christ and the "end" ARE NOT THE SAME...simple

At least, in the mind of the inspired writer here, Paul...and evidently not in the minds of the first century Christians AT CORINTH...

Now, there is a lot that can be said here...but my point is that Paul does not call the "end" period a "coming" or "parousia" of Christ...no not at all.

He did not think of this as being such.

But remember, the Watchtower Society does.

So, first century Christians PLACED the second coming of Christ, the second "parousia," the "return" of Christ...BEFORE the "end"...much even before the "end." In other words, TO FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS, Paul and others, Christ actually had his “second coming” BEFORE he brings about what the Bible calls, "THE END.” -- That’s BEFORE he brings about "THE END."

Sure, we know positively Christ indeed brings about the “end” too, but this is not considered to be his “second coming,” at least not to those of the first century.

Now, the Watchtower Soiciety is completely out of their league here...their insights on the scriptures are exhausted here, at this point...


As you may know by now, the word “parousia,” (translated “presence” in the NWT) can mean “presence”, but can also mean a “coming,” the same as does echomai, and eltho. In fact, these words all mean the same thing – a “coming.”

It was the Watchtower Society that made a "mess" of things and complicated the matter by trying to say (using the Emphatic Diaglott) that the word "parousia," means something different...a presence...an invisible presence. But even the they have had to admit that the Greek word, "parousia," can indeed mean a "coming" too...depending upon the context. So, the word can go either way...depending upon how the disciples of Jesus and first century Christians understood the way the word was used by the inspired Bible writers of their time.

So, the Watchtower Society divided these words up to mean totally different things, translated them to mean three different things ... namely, ”Presence,” “coming,” and “arrival.” These words were translated as either Presence [parousia], coming [echomai] or arrival [eltho] in the New World Translation. And somehow, split up to mean totally different things.

The Watchtower Society has the “presence” starting in 1914; the “coming” at the “end” just before Armageddon...and finally they used the word translated “arrival,” Christ’s “arrival,” INTERCHANGEABLY…in both instances, as at 1914 and at Armageddon…just depends upon the circumstances and the particular point they wanted to emphasize…
The "interchangeable" word used in multiple senses...
For example, the memorial is supposed to be celebrated until Christ “arrives.” (1 Corinthians 11:26) The problem is, when is that? 1914 or Armageddon, which?

According to the Watchtower Society, the word "arrived" can mean both periods...both periods...at least it did up to 1995.

Prior to 1995 and the October 15th, 1995 issue of the Watchtower magazine, if you asked a Jehovah’s Witness when did Jesus “arrive” to separate the sheep and the goats…he would confidently say…

“Jesus ARRIVED in 1914…to start the separating of the Sheep and the Goats…” And would quickly cite Matthew 25: 31, 32, …Jesus “arrives” in all of his glory and all nations are gathered before him, and he begins separating the “sheep” and the “goats,” …the verse does show this. This would have been considered a correct answer, according to the WTS. And all of this began happening in 1914.

However, the same person could have turned around after this answer was given and asked the same JW “how long were they (Christians) supposed to celebrate the Memorial of Jesus’ death?”
Now, the brother would then have to reply…

“Well…we do this until Christ ARRIVES…and that would be at “Armageddon.”

Yes, now, the brother has to turn around and cite 1 Corinthians 11:26 which surely does say, we do this …“we proclaim the Lord’s death until he [Christ] ARRIVES.”…

Do you get it…do you see how stupid we, as Jehovah’s Witnesses would sound then?

First you told the person that Jesus “arrived,” in 1914, and then cited the scripture at Matthew 25:31, 32, as your proof. And sure enough, it says Jesus “arrived” to separate the sheep and the goats,” at this time…which you have explained to be in 1914…Jesus arrived in 1914.. Then, you turn around in the next breath…and say the memorial has to be celebrated until Christ arrives…but this time … Christ “arrives” at Armageddon…that’s at Armageddon, at the “end” of this system…and, of course, we cite 1 Corinthians 11:26 in the NWT as the proof.

Two completely different time periods…completely stupid…dumb…

Recently, the Watchtower Society saw the need for serious re-thinking and “adjustments,” quickly, before the brothers in general began to re-evaluate this teaching. Thus we have the need for an article in the October 15, 1995 Watchtower magazine which attempted to address this situation.

First Century "Parousia"/"Coming" Of Jesus -- Scriptural Proof

If we, as serious Bible students, take into account the fact that if Christ has already “arrived” in the first century...then, we are really opening things up a bit...right?

As we engage in this discussion, we must remember, to the layman Jehovah’s Witnesses, rank and file, he is lost because he does not know when the “arrival” of Christ was REALLY TO TAKE PLACE. He has been "cripple," he has been taught wrong by the Watchtower Society.

Yes, as mentioned above, sometimes the WTS says it is Armageddon and sometimes they say it is 1914…it just depends upon how they want to teach the point…that’s it.

Now, we are opening our minds to NEW IDEAS, new concepts...so we must, must keep in mind, the possibility does exist for “parousia” to mean “presence” … that fact must be recognized...so we are not disputing this fact. But all we are saying is that the word ...can, can, can mean "coming", a simple "coming" of a person. Yes, it can under certain circumstances and certain conditions… the context of the scriptures would dictate the outcome, the real meaning.

So why don't we let the Bible speak for itself...is it a "coming" or a "presence?" -- Which?

IMPORTANT POINT: As we go along in our discussion, gradually, that point will become quite apparent, that the Greek word "parousia" actually meant "coming" to first century Christians and NOT PRESENCE, an invisible presence, as extrapolated, extracted and concocted by the WTS' use of the Emphatic Diaglott (Benjamin Wilson), even to the most pre-conditioned WTS-indoctrinated Jehovah's Witnesses. This, indeed, is the truth of the matter -- a Biblically, established fact.

Let us proceed to prove this in “Beroean” fashion. -- Acts 17:11

When we examine what the Bible teaches in context, “parousia” in context, we realize the plain and indisputable fact that the Bible writers just used the word “parousia” as a simple “coming” or return of our master, Jesus Christ. Nothing complicated about this at all.

So then, there is no such thing as an “invisible presence” – an invisible “parousia,” an invisible “prsence” taught in the scriptures at all. There is just the “coming”, the “coming,” the second “coming”of Christ…that the Bible teaches…The Watchtower Society just made up the whole affair, when you boil it all down…that’s the long and short of it. And this can be easily proven from the scriptures.

Let’s re-examine the situation for ourselves.

The "Coming One" -- "Comes" In the First Century...Twice! -- Matthew 11:2, 3

We remember Jesus Christ made an initial visit, or had a FIRST coming, to inspect the temple for God, as the “messenger of the Covenant.” This is his first visit or coming. He is thus referred to in the scriptures as the “Coming One.”

That’s the “Coming One,” and not the “Present One, or the One who is Present.” And of course, this is referring to his first coming. Matt. 11:2, 3 says of Jesus:

“But John, having heard in jail about the works of the Christ, sent by means of his own disciples and said to him “Are you the COMING ONE or are we to expect a different one?”

Yes, Jesus was the “Coming One.” And as the "Coming One," he logically has a first "coming" and a second "coming." Therefore the true emphasis is upon his "coming" and not a so-called "presence" of his...that's what everyone expected of him. Therefore, we need to be CONSISTENT with this thought...a "coming"...he was thought to be the "Coming One." Thus we find the Greek words parousia, and erchomai, actually can mean the same thing, which could call attention to his first “coming” or visit for inspection of the nation of Israel, and second one, based upon him being thought of as the true "Coming One." -- Matthew 11:2, 3

Of course we remember, the nation of Israel "did not discern the time of their inspection” as Jesus said and thus failed the test because of not being prepared. They forfeited their unique opportunity before God to become a “royal nation,” a “priestly nation” to all of the other nations of the earth. – Exodus 19:5, 6; Luke 19:44

But Jesus did make the visit, the initial visit, his first visit, as the word “parousia" actually means…or his “coming.”

He "visited" the nation of Israel for "inspection" as the "Coming One." That was his job as "messenger of Covenant." And as Jesus came to the end of his first visit, his first “coming” or his “parousia,” while still on earth, Jesus spoke often of his “return” or SECOND “coming.” He spoke of this to his disciples often. That is to his first century disciples.

But when was this to occur? This has been a mystery, his second “coming” or return for many, many years. Because this is precisely the time that Jesus promised he would "return" to "gather" his disciples, his church, and take them back to heaven to be with him.

First century Christians were definitely aware of this teaching, since every one of them were anxiously awaiting this "return" of their Lord and Savior. They were not mixed up about his "return," his "second coming" under NO CIRCUMSTANCES...they knew he was returning and they expected, depended upon this, totally. And they had a definite "doctrine" or teaching they disseminated, or published, on this subject. They were not "in the dark" about such a return or second "coming" of Jesus...as we are today.

Actually, until very recently, no one on earth could really say they completely understood this, this return, or second coming of Jesus. No one could because it was NOT Jehovah’s time to reveal to his people, his prophets His “confidential matters.” – Amos 3:7

But that time was sure to come.

Daniel 12:4 shows that it would be in the time of the end that the book of Daniel would be “unsealed.” The “time of the end.” The book of Daniel would remain “sealed up” until then.

The following information can be considered as Biblical proof that Jesus Christ did return, did “come,” did make his second parousia, second erchomai his second eltho IN THE FIRST CENTURY, as the first century Christians, and inspired Bible writers and apostles EXPECTED…


Luke 19:11-27 has to be considered one of the most powerful & irrefutable Biblical texts available which clearly demonstrate the ACTUAL TIMING of Jesus' second "coming" or "return" as described in God's Own Word. In these verses it mentions Jesus' going to "secure kingly power for himself and to Return" to reward his slaves -- all of them, good, faithful and unfaithful. He also discusses certain "enemies" of his, who "did not want him to become king" at all. He has all of them "slaughtered before him."

All of this happens at the same time...at The SAME TIME.

Thus, it becomes a relatively simple matter to fixate the timing of the complete destruction of Jesus' enemies...70 c.e. when Jehovah and Jesus allowed the Roman Army under General Titus to devastate the city of Jerusalem, by killing over 1,100,000 Jews and leading off 97,000 in captivity. This clearly represented the "slaughter" before Jesus that he spoke of...the nation that "did not want him to become king," and subsequently rejected him as "king."

Easy to figure out...the timing...70 c.e.

Thus, it was at this same time, at the time of the "slaughter" of Jesus' enemies, the nation of Israel, that Jesus also dealt with his disciples too. He rewarded some, the faithful to heavenly life, and "abandoned" others, the unfaithful, to themselves on earth, bringing the christian church in the years after 70 c.e. to a quick NOSE DIVE in debauchery. This is exactly as Matt. 24:40, 41 said it would be,

"Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken along and the other BE ABANDONED; two women will be grinding at the hand mill, one will be taken along and the other BE ABANDONED."

One is "taken along" to heaven, and one is "abandoned" upon the earth, after Jesus makes his Second Return, in 70 c.e.

Yes, in the first century, during his second "parousia," the Bible teaches that Jesus did, indeed, gather those first century faithful and took them to heaven in 70 C.E. And the bible account at Luke 19:11-27 is a big help in that regard.

Thus, the Bible teaches the official "second coming," the "second parousia," of Christ, as UNDERSTOOD BY FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS, would occur, they expected it, IN THEIR LIFETIMES. That's how they understood the situation.

However let’s keep in mind, when we speak of the "abyssing of Satan" and the destruction of all human governments, the resurrection of human dead, emptying the graves (sheol/hades) and ushering mankind into a 1,000 millennium of peace, all of these things Jesus will do, even in our lifetime. There is no question about that. But the Bible shows that first century Christians considered this to be "THE END" -- THE END, and not the "second parousia" of Christ.

So then, based upon the scriptural evidence we have at hand, we must conclude something perhaps that Jehovah's Witnesses previously thought to be impossible, unthinkable. Yes, we must scripturally conclude that Jesus Christ did indeed "return," yes have his "second coming", second parousia, in the first century, in 70 C.E., when he actually carried out what he promised he would do in Luke 19:11-27.

Yes, Jesus would "return," and at "his arrival" or when he "comes", Jesus would reward his faithful slaves, first century Christians, the ones he gave the "minas" to "do business" for him. But he also reminded those disciples that at his "arrival," he would also do something else...something very profound. Luke 19:27 shows he would have "all his enemies that did not want him to become king," those non believers of the Jewish Nation, disbelieving "Israel," ... yes he would have them all destroyed, "slaughtered before him."

And when did this happen?

As mentioned above, without a doubt, this occurred in 70 C.E., when General Titus killed 1.1 million Jews and took another 97,000 captive. Again, this is the clear fulfillment of what Jesus promised when he said, the Biblical account found at Luke 19:11-27 where it mentions:

(a) "a certain man of noble birth traveled to a distant land to secure kingly power for himself." -- Luke 19:12

(b) ...And "to return" to reward his faithful slaves, who were given the spiritual "minas" to "do business with...TILL I COME [Greek: Erchomai]." -- Luke 19:13

(c) He "returns" only, AFTER he has "secured kingly power" for himself. -- Luke 19:15

(d) this second "coming" of Jesus is also called his "ARRIVAL". -- Luke 19:23

Thus, in these verses, Luke 19:11-27, Jesus describes his going off to "secure kingly power for himself," and what follows for inspection of his disciples as his second "coming," his "arrival," and his "return".

To back this position up, Romans 1:4 says:

"but who with power was DECLARED GOD'S SON according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead -- yes, Jesus Christ our Lord."

Thus, Jesus Christ was "DECLARED GOD'S SON" at his resurrection from the dead, in the first century. He was "declared God's Son" at that time.

Psalms 2:6,7 says in connection with the above thought,

"...I even I, have INSTALLED MY KING upon Zion, my holy mountain. Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me, "You are my Son; I, TODAY, I have become your father."

Yes, Jehovah said, "I TODAY, have become your father," -- at Jesus' resurrection to heavenly life, -- on that "DAY," did Jesus become Jehovah's Son, and Jehovah, on that same said "DAY", did become Jesus' Father...on that "day," the day of his "resurrection," as Romans 1:4 shows.

Thus, at Revelation 3:21, in the first century, Jesus could well make the following statement as Ruling King, and "Installed King," of the first century:

"To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on His Throne."

Yes, Jesus "conquered" and "sat down" on His Father's throne, in the first century, at his resurrection to heavenly life. He has been ruling, since his resurrection to heavenly life, sitting upon God's throne and will continue to rule till it is His Father's time to dismantle all humans governments and restore perfect human life to all obedient humanity...to bring all things under "subjection" to the Father. Hebrews 2:8 says:

"All things you subjected under his feet for in that he subjected all things to him [God] left nothing that is not subject to him [Jesus]. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him."

Yes, all things are in "subjection" to Jesus Christ, yet, "we do not yet see all things in subjection to him," as of now. That fact only becomes apparent when Jesus takes the actions described in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, where he brings all things into subjection under the Father's Mighty Hand...including death itself, also brought into "subjection" too. When this happens, Jesus rule will be complete, and all things will be restored to the Father as they should be, as it was in the beginning. After this, Jesus will "hand the kingdom over to his God and Father," when he has accomplished what God set out for him to accomplish..."at the end."

Therefore, on this basis, giving a close examination of all of the scriptural evidence we have at our disposal, yes, we must conclude, we must concede that Jesus did indeed Return, have his "second coming," yes, in the fateful year of 70 C.E. And why do we say this?

...because the Bible says so.

Please find below 15 scriptural examples showing first century christians expected the imminent return of Jesus in their own lifetimes.

Example #1.

2 Peter 3:3, 4

“For you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying; Where is this promised presence [parousia or coming] of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”

Why were the brothers “ridiculed” back then in the first century? Why?

They evidently taught something…something that disturbed their neighbors.

And what was that? Well, they taught a “Promised” return/presence/coming of the Lord, in the first century, in their lifetime! And they were ridiculed for teaching this….this “promised [parousia] of Jesus.”

Ask yourself, how could christians have been “ridiculed” for something they did not teach. The Watchtower Society says they did not teach Jesus’ return would occur in the first century. But if they did not teach this, then why were they “ridiculed” for believing this, teaching that Jesus would return in their lifetime, their generation. They evidently believed this and was KNOWN FOR THIS TEACHING and were heavily persecuted for teaching and believing such a thing.

This belief of a first century “return” or “parousia,” “coming of Jesus…

...they were ridiculed for believing such and were known in the community to believe and teach such., because no else believed it.

They must have believed such and taught it…namely that Jesus was going to return in their lifetime…their generation. They evidently taught this, and they were consequently “ridiculed” for teaching this.

Does this make sense to you?

Example #2.

1 John 2:28 says:

“So now, little children, remain in union with him, that when he made manifest we may have freeness of speech and not be shamed away from him at his [parousia/coming].

Christians were expecting Jesus to come while they would still be alive. To be "shamed away," would clearly mean they were alive...alive to become ashamed away from the face of Christ, in that they had not measured up as true christians. The would need to be alive, to be put to "shame." THINK: If they had died and went to the grave, they could never experience "shame."

But "shame" would surely come if what Jesus promised happened to them...

"Then [at Christ's first century 2nd coming] two men will be in the field: [and unexpectedly] one will be TAKEN ALONG [resurrected to heavenly, instantly] and the other be ABANDONED [left behind]; two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be TAKE ALONG [resurrected to heaven, instantly...in a "twinkling of an eye"] and the other be ABANDONED [left behind]. -- Matthew 24:40, 41

Now, that could cause some serious "shame," if you were LEFT BEHIND, "ABANDONED" before your Lord and Savior, Jesus. That would be so "shameful," so "shameful", that you wouldn't want to tell any one, let no know that this had indeed happened...no and in fact, who would you tell any...all the good christians were gone...only to leave the WICKED...I don't think they would want to discuss such a possibility...so nothing was ever recorded or said about from a church or congregation point of view...it was hushed up. It never happened.

Many Bible Scholars give serious creedance to the fact that the Book of Revelation could have been written, yes before 70 C.E. Yes, before. And then, too, it appears that just a few years after 70 c.e., strange Bible teachings began to surface. Even doubt as to whether the Name of God was important in worship or not, shortly after 70 c.e. It was not long after the destruction of the temple in 70 c.e. that "christians" began to teach "different doctrine," and entertain different ideas about Church Creed, Tradition, and Doctrine. Viewpoints began to vary among religious leaders of the church, Jesus established shortly after this date.

Example #3.

1 Thessalonians 2:19 says:

“For what is our hope or joy or crown of exaltation – why, is it not in fact you? – before our Lord Jesus at his [parousia/coming].”

It appears that these ones would be alive at the parousia of the Lord. This scripture seems to convey the same idea as the others concerning parousia.

Example #4.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 which says:

“For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s Word, that we the living who survive to the [parousia] of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]”

First century christians expected to “survive to the [parousia] of the Lord. They expected this. Looked forward to this…to the “parousia” of the Lord. They knew it would occur in THEIR lifetime. Some would even “survive” until it came, in their lifetime.

This particular verse, is a powerful proof of a first century parousia of Jesus Christ.

Example #5.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 which says:

“May the very peace of God sanctify you completely. And sound in every respect may the spirit and soul and body of you brothers be preserved in a blameless manner at the [parousia/coming] of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Christians, their “body,” “spirit,” and “soul” expected to have them all “preserved” until the parousia of Christ, in the first century...until his second coming.

Example #6.

1 Corinthians 5:5 says:

“You hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.”

Paul is saying, “remove this wicked man from your midst," so that, Jehovah will continue to give you brothers His Holy Spirit. In other words, Paul advised: Let’s “save that spirit,” during the “Lord’s Day.” During the "Lord's day", which was during the time of Paul, in the first century. So, then, the _expression, the “day of the Lord,” could apply during the first century. Something not understood by the Watchtower Society.

Demonstrating this point, we remember, this _expression is also found in the book of Revelation, where John is transferred “into the day of the Lord,” miraculously. This is the special time of the “Lord.” It is called, the “day of the Lord.” All of the events of the book of Revelation, are said to occur during…the “day of the Lord.” – Revelation 1:10

And yet, Paul said that they were ALREADY IN THAT DAY, in that day of the Lord, which forces to see the need to “save the spirit” of God and its operation upon the congregation, which was in their midst, now…during the day of the Lord, Jesus. His “day” , the “Lord’s Day,” “Jesus’ day,” was conceived with the birth of the first century congregation at Pentecost, in which he became head of…during the first century. This was the “Lord’s Day” – in the first century.

But Revelation points forward to another "day of the Lord", in the future.

Example #7.

1 Corinthians 1:7, 8 which says:

“so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ; who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

First Century were “waiting” for the “revealing” of Jesus. They expected this to happen in their lifetime and in their generation.

Example #8.

2 Thessalonians 1:6, 7 says:

“This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you but, to you who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the Revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels.”

How could first century christians experience “relief” at the revelation of the Lord Jesus if they were not alive, when he returned?

Example #9.

2 Thessalonians 1;10 which says:

“on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.”

The ones who “believed” were first century christians…these are the ones that would “marvel” when he "came.” They would live to see him when he “comes to be glorified.”

Example #10.

1 Peter 4:7 which says:

“But the end of all things has drawn close…”

How shall we understand the above words -- the “end of all things.” It should be understood as being, The “End” of the Jewish system of things…the system of things…which ended in 70 c.e. when General Titus destroyed the entire city of Jerusalem, and its magnificient Temple, and Priesthood. The end, when Jesus was due to come. The "end" had "drawn close" because as Jesus promised, one "generation" would live to see it all come to an "end"…their generation. This leads us to the next powerful scriptural proof.

Additional Scriptural Proof: Did not Jesus pointedly say, "Truly I say to you that THIS GENERATION [of the first century that he was speaking to] will by no means pass away until all these things occur." What did he mean? Clearly, Jesus meant that particular "generation" of the first century, that he was speaking about and to, would indeed NOT die off. Clearly that is what he meant! No, they would not die off but they would be alive when all of these things occurred that he spoke of. And that included being alive to see Jesus' second coming, his "parousia," too. Some would be alive to see his "return". Some of that particular "generation." That is the generation of the first century. -- Matt. 24:34; Mark 13:30

Example #11.

John 11:25, 26 says:

“Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?”

These can only be understood one way…this all happens in the generation of these people, in the first century. Some of them could live to the “end,” of the Jewish system, like the John, the apostle. In such a case, he would not need to experience “death” at all, but would be “changed, in the twinkling of an eye…” to heavenly life…an instaneous change for him and many others who would be alive when Jesus made his “second coming,” his second “parousia” in the first century.

Example #12.

John 8:51 says:

“Most truly I say to you, if anyone observes my word, he will never see death at all.”

Same conclusion. Only possible unless, Jesus makes his return and performs a resurrection at his second “parousia” or second coming in the first century, before these individuals could die of old age.

Example #13.

Mark 8:38 says:

“For whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of when he arrives in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

These same people…these same people, not different people, but these same people…are accountable to Jesus…He says so. They must face him. So, we see, the Individual acountability…this could only be possible unless the same people are alive and have to face Jesus, as a “generation.” They have to face their judgment, their accountability, as individuals…as a Jewish nation of people.

Example #14.

Luke 21:34-36 says:

“But pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you as a snare. For it will come in upon all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth. Keep awake, then all, the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined occur, and in standing before the Son of Man.”

First century christians would have to “escape ALL THESE THINGS,” which included the “return” of the Messiah…one generation gets to see it all, including the return of the “master.” They would all have to “stand before the Son of man,” finally, in their lifetime…succeed in “escaping” all of these things mentioned by Jesus, the “Son of Man.”

Example #15.

1 Peter 1:7 and 13 says:

“in order that the tested quality of your faith, of much greater value than gold that perishes despite its being proved by fire, may be found a cause for praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ…Hence brace up your senses completely; set your hope upon the undeserved kindness that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

First century “tested quality of your faith” would be “found a cause for praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.” … during their lifetime, they would live to see this…in their generation.

So, now we have considered some 15 examples …but there many more examples that prove that Jesus Christ did indeed, “come” in the first century, true to his promises to the faithful, the first century christians.


Questions for article: "The Second Coming of Christ – Re-examined"
First Century "Parousia" of Jesus – Could It Have Happened?

1. When told that Jesus will not return in our day, what objections would a Jehovah’s Witness make?

2. Did the 1st Century Christians equate the activities that are mentioned in the book of Revelation such as the thousand-reign of Christ and the abyssing of Satan as occurring at his ‘second’ coming or parousia?

3. What event did Paul associate with Jesus’ parousia according to 1 Corinthians 15:23, 24?

4. The word "parousia" is translated as presence in the NWT, but what can it also mean depending upon the context? What other Greek words also have this same meaning?

5. What mistake did the WTS make in their translation of these three Greek words, parousia, erchomai and eltho and how did they translate each one?

6. According to WTS doctrine, when does the "presence," the "coming" and the "arrival" all begin?

7. Up until 1995, when would a JW say Jesus "arrived" to "separate the sheep from the goats?"

8. How would they answer the question of when would the celebration of the memorial cease?

9. What was the purpose of the changes made to this doctrine of when "Christ would arrive" in the October 15, 1995 Watchtower?

10. Realizing that the Greek word "parousia" can mean both presence and coming, what would we take into account in order to determine which meaning is appropriate to use?

11. Can it be proven scripturally that Jesus’ 1st century disciples believed in an "invisible presence" as taught by the Watchtower Society?

12. By what term did John refer to Jesus in Matthew 11:2, 3, indicating what?

13. While Jesus was on earth during his first coming or visit, he often spoke of his return to gather his disciples and take them to heaven to be with him. How certain were these disciples that this ‘second coming’ would occur in their lifetime?

14. Since 1st Century Christians were convinced of the above fact, why is the time of Jesus’ return such a mystery to many today?

15. Why is Luke 19:11-27 such a powerful example of Biblical proof that Jesus did return in the 1st century?

16. What condition came to exist among those unfaithful Christians who were abandoned by Jesus in the 1st century?

17. Based on the above evidence, what conclusions must we come to regarding what 1st Century Christians believed about Jesus’ return or ‘second coming?’

18. What scriptures support Luke 19:11-27 in proving that Jesus did receive kingly power in the first century?

19. When will Jesus’ rule end according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-28?

20. There are fifteen scriptures (below) given that are proof that 1st Century Christians expected Jesus’ return during their lifetime. Match the statement given to the correct scripture.

(1 Peter 1:7, 13; 2 Peter 3:3, 4; 1 John 2:28; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 1 Thessalonians 4:15; Mark 8:38; John 8:51; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 1:6, 7; 1 Corinthians 5:5; John 11:25, 26; 2 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Corinthians 1:7, 8; Luke 21:34-36; 1 Peter 4:7)

a. Anyone who was ashamed of Jesus and his words before the Jews, Jesus would be ashamed of him before his Father when he arrived in his glory. __________________

b. The disciples must not allow life’s anxieties to cause them to fall asleep but must keep awake, always praying that they might escape all things including the return of Jesus. ___________________

c. Anyone observing Jesus’ words and lived to his see his return would never see death. ________________________

d. Anyone exercising faith in Jesus and was alive when he make his second parousia or coming would never die. __________________________

e. First Century Christians would be strengthened while they were "waiting" for the "revealing" of Jesus in their lifetime. _______________________

f. Since 1st Century Christians were already living in the "Lord’s Day," it was imperative that they keep the congregation clean in order that Jehovah’s spirit would continue to flow during this period of time. _________________________

g. Paul reminded 1st Century Christians that they would be his "hope, joy, and crown of exaltation" before Jesus at his ‘second coming.’ ______________________

h. Many 1st Century Christians would be alive when Christ returned, but their ascension to heaven would not occur ahead of those who had already died. ________________

i. Paul desired that God would keep Christians sound in spirit, mind and body, preserving them in a blameless manner until the ‘second coming’ or parousia of Christ. __________________

j. First century Christians would experience relief from suffering or tribulation when Jesus returned with his powerful angels to mete out the appropriate punishment. ___________________

k. Those who believed the testimony given by Paul and others will be among those who will "marvel" when Jesus comes to be glorified in his people. ____________________

l. The tested quality of 1st century Christian’s faith would be found a cause for praise and honor at the revelation of Jesus. They were to "set their hope" upon the undeserved kindness they would receive at his coming. __________________________

m. The "end of all things" spoken of in this verse refers to the end of the Jewish system of things. _______________________

n. First century Christians were ridiculed because they believed and taught that Jesus would return in their lifetime. __________________________

o. First century Christians should remain in union with Jesus so that they would have freeness of speech at his return and would not be made ashamed at this time. ________________________


To get the answers for the review questions CLICK HERE.


This article is taken from Forum #14 of the LivingWatersForum.com website.

[center]Are they Hebrews? I am one also. Are they Israelites? I am one also.
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