Babylon The Great -- What Is It?

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Babylon The Great -- What Is It?

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Part 1.

What Would You Do...?

What would you do if after many years of association with a religious organization, you suddenly discovered the religious organization had taken a course that you knew, was sure to cause great reproach and shame upon God's Holy Name...what would you do? What would you do after much bible research and study on the matter that the religion that you associated with and was a part of for many years, was becoming more and more corrupt, conniving and conspiring, to steal veneration and worship from God and direct it to themselves -- what would you do? Yes, what would you do if you felt that suddenly, the wicked constraints of that old evil entity the book of Revelation speaks of, that old "whore" Babylon, were becoming more and more visible to you within that particular religious organization...yes, and you were beginning to feel like you were trapped in Babylon The Great -- what would you do? Would you make the necessary effort to "Get out of HER," obeying the command at Revelation 18:4? Would you show the necessary devotion to God, that you would make every effort to escape this form of organized wickedness, and thus would not have to suffer part of her plagues that God is surely to deliver those oppose him by supporting Babylon The Great?

What a most provocative and stimulating situation! And yet, regrettably so, this situation is NOT hypothetical or speculative at all. No but, countless questioning Jehovah's Witnesses are now beginning to face such a situation themselves...such a reality.

In fact, such a situation now begins to explore the true depth of concern felt by those who have become recently cognizant of real problems within the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization under the direction of the Watchtower Society. And their subsequent reactions to it reveal much, to God and mankind. This situation reveals it.

We can say this because as you know, the average Jehovah's Witness believes "Babylon the Great" is the world empire of false religion, OUTSIDE Jehovah's Witnesses Organization. To them, the JW Organization is perfect, run by imperfect men. So they would not even give your question any consideration at all. They are safely hidden away from the clutches of old wicked "babylon the great." Yes, they escaped Babylon, when they left the churches and religious institutions of our world. The ones the WTS have demonized within their publications for so long. So the "brothers" are safe.

But among those few Jehovah's Witnesses, who are aware of serious problems within the JW Organization, when asked this question, you could possibly get three (3) different responses to your question.

You will quickly notice, when someone begins to ask the above type of questions, that the more enlightened Jehovah Witness will struggle with these type of questions. It makes them uneasy. And as they continue to learn more and more about the true inner workings of the organization, its methods and teachings and how practices and teachings have been passed down from the past, their origin and so on, this always gives rise and cause for more concern.

Especially is this true, when one begins to discover the clandestine, undercover things done by the WTS in the past like the 10-year NGO UN problem and how it was discovered by the press. Also, when such ones find out about the revealed disingenuous attitudes of leadership over serious issues as regards things like child abuse and pedophilia with their ranks, and methods taken to protect the offender rather than the victims as a worldwide policy, this gives reason for pause among thinking Jehovah's Witnesses.

Based upon the above, it would be difficult for a thinking Jehovah's Witness to answer your question. Because,

(1) if they say Babylon the Great represents the world empire of false religion, excluding themselves, then we need to discuss the 10-year NGO Liason with the United Nations Organization that the Governing Body was caught "red-handed" in. The June 1st, 1991 Watchtower article revealed the Catholic Church as having 24 NGO Organizations which gave support to the UN, and went on to show this showed the Catholic Church was guilty of SPIRITUAL FORNICATION before God & Christ. -- See June 1, 1991 Watchtower magazine page 17, par. 10, 11

Again, the Catholic Church has been much criticized within the WTS' publications for Priest involvement in pedophilia. It has been shown in the publications for many years that "true religion" would not have such unsavory "activities" prevalent among their membership. Especially not among Jehovah's Witnesses who today, exist within a "spiritual paradise", as the WTS teaches. And we know, this viewpoint persisted for many years among Jehovah's Witnesses.

But now, with the more recent allegations and reports of widespread pedophilia among the JWs, major news reports like CBS News with Dan Rather, NBC Dateline, CNN with Connie Chung, BBC news program, and others around the world, live interviews with abused victims of pedophilia on the aire and how their "cases" was handled by the WTS and Company, can we truthfully say, Jehovah's Witnesses are a genuine "spiritual paradise," shining as a light beckon in a bedarkened world? Or is the JW Organization, as some claim, an unrevealed, undiscovered "pedophile paradise" and refuge for repeat criminal offenders, who are all too often shown to be spiritual "elders" supposedly shepherding and caring for the defenseless flock -- which?

(2) In answer to your question, if an enlightened Jehovah's Witness would say they believe they and the JW Organization are perhaps a part of Babylon the Great, then the obvious question would be, "why are you staying?" Especially since the JW Organization has long advocated anyone who finds himself in "Babylon", after learning of this tragic news, immediately needs to leave the "wicked" organization and even write a formal letter of dissassociation from such an organization. Many of us, as JWs even taught this to our bible studies in the field ministry, that God requires this. Have we as JWs suddenly forgotten this, since the "shoe is on the other foot" now, and we are the ones that possibly need to do the "escaping" from "organized" wickedness?

(3) But, the most common and preferred answer to the opening questions of our discussion sadly, that one would receive when you ask it, would be this: "we don't know...we don't have any idea". Which should be followed up with the next response, "What are you doing about it, to find out what Babylon The Great actually is today?"

And in most instances, what do we find, when we get to that point? Don't we find the average Jehovah's Witness, becomes JUST LIKE THE BAPTIST or CATHOLIC BIBLE STUDY that he studied with who when asked that question, somehow became openly LETHARGIC. Yes, for some strange reason, the bible study now becomes unattentive, for some reason, when we posed that particular question to them. When in the past, we posed that particular question to religionist of the world and people in general in the world, when we were the real teachers on the matter, we got to see the most vivid example of APATHY, that we had ever seen before, we thought. Isn't that how we personally felt, when we asked that question to those persons that we thought were unbeknowst to themselves, trapped in wicked Babylon The Great? Isn't that the way it was?

"Boy oh boy," we said to ourselves, we just couldn't UNDERSTAND these "stupid" people. We said, "what do they think they are doing...hanging around wicked Babylon the Great...don't they know they are going to be destroyed if they don't get, my, I just can't understand these worldly people...I tell you...they are just not decisive individuals... I just don't know..."

So, in the end...we pronounced them "Wicked!", because of no decisive action on their parts. That was our judgment!

No, those wicked worldly people simply did nothing about their supposedly dangerous situation, of being trapped in Babylon The Great. And it seemed they didn't even care to us, we thought. They didn't even WANT to know, in total indifference, as regards what could be done about it, or whether they were actually IN Babylon the Great, for God's sake, we thought.

But, now what do we see, among Jehovah's Witnesses, when exposed to a little "taste" of their own wickedness? Wickedness of their leadership...what do we see? When one asks Jehovah's Witnesses whether he might, just might be in "Babylon the Great," what is the reaction we get? Do we not see the same identical attitude of worldly religionists from long standing JWs, who formerly maintained these aforementioned "judgmental" attitudes toward other religionists of the world, over their many, many decades of service.

But amazingly now, after they find out about the "wickedness" of the WTS and elder associates, and they can not explain it away, suddenly we Jehovah's Witnesses receive "NEW LIGHT" on this matter of figuring out exactly WHO is "Babylon the Great". A new method must now be employed, yes proposed, to approach this most delicate, most sensitive issue...this question of whether we, as JWs, are actually in "Babylon The Great." Yes, it seems they don't even want to know any more about the subject. No, and they certainly don't want to do anything, take any action, actually. And it seems nobody among JWs is "digging" deep, anywhere, to find out the true answer, either, to this most important question.

Yes, in most cases, the informed JWs does not even want to find out more, as to the true identity of Babylon The Great, so as to escape it and retain God's Eternal Favor. They take this attitude, because, if they found out something undesirable as to a conclusion on the matter, why that might mean they would have real responsibility before God and Christ, to take some drastic action upon their parts. And heaven forbid they do might result in some unfavorable result toward persecution, and a lack of "peace" within their household and personal lives. It may disrupt their family lives, even. And surely, Jehovah God and Jesus Christ would not want that, would they?

No, the "new light" dictates Jehovah's Witnesses respond, that the real answer to the above question is just: "WAIT ON JEHOVAH..." Ever hear of that expression before?

Yes, we need to "wait on Jehovah," when it comes to these kind of questions. We need to "wait on Jehovah", just as the Baptists or other religionists used to say to us when we were propounding the same hard, probing questions to them in field service. "Well you know, we need to wait on the LORD...when it comes to me leaving my church and all...cause that's a big decision!", they used to tell us. Yes, the same old cliche' ... the same old tired line.

Only difference is that, we today, we as Jehovah' s Witnesses are saying it...before man, before Jehovah and Jesus, and of course, before Satan the Devil!

And somehow, we think this GRAND HYPOCRISY upon our parts, as Jehovah's Witnesses, this new attitude that we have conveniently adopted, somehow will escape the notice of our Exemplar, Jesus Christ who is examining our conduct ever so closely? If we feel that way...I think we are sadly mistaken indeed. {8K

Actually, we today, just as we said of the Baptists, Catholics and other religionists of the world who tried to squirm and weasel their way out of the question when we had our "foot on their necks," aren't we really parroting the same old "party line" ("wait on Jehovah) and thereby "deceiving ourselves with false reasoning", trying to convince ourselves and others to believe such a foolish thing? In responding in this manner described above, we need to ask ourselves: Do we really "Know Jehovah"? Do we think we will "get away" with such false reasoning? Do we? -- James 1:22; Hebrews 8:11

The Jehovah's Witnesses, the informed one, does this I believe, for in this way, this requires no uncomfortable, painful family splitting, or unwanted persecution brought upon themselves. But this is of course, at complete variance with Jesus' admonition to us when he showed it would be absolutely impossible to avoid, trial and persecution, when one becomes his disciple or follower. Jesus clearly said, everyone who follows him, must "pick up his own torture stake," and continually "follow him", whereever that path of righteousness leads. That's what we as "christians," agreed to, in our personal dedication.

When it comes to family ties vs ones true relationship with Jehovah, being a footstep follower of Jesus, here is what he said:

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple." -- Luke 14:26

How did Jesus say he felt about "family ties", when it comes to our worship, and their being friction or interference? Jesus said, your worship to Jehovah should transcend ALL BARRIERS, all family ties...your connection to God should be greater. God's Word is clear!

"Whoever is not carrying his torture stake and coming after me cannot be my disciple." -- Luke 14:27

Persecution, family breakups, are all a part being a "christian", actually. But, when that question you pose above is asked, we seem all to often, to forget that fact. And yet, this point is anchored solidly within the Holy Scriptures. It becomes just as Jesus said:

"Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and young wife against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man's enemies will be persons of his own household. He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. He that finds his soul will lose it, and he that loses his soul for my sake will find it." -- Matthew 10:34-39

Families, yes, are sometimes divided, and "peace" and goodwill are lost sometimes, for the sake of righteousness, and truth Jesus said. Thats because Jehovah is "looking for such like ones" to worship Him. Those who are willing to give it all up, suffer in behalf of truth, and serve Him, in "truth." (John 4:23) So Jesus said that is why he came...namely to bring "division," to bring a "sword" or warfare within the family circle, because the Truth must be shown to be more important to us, than family ties. Just like we remember, real "truth" should have divided Adam off from should have, but we know it didn't. They stayed together, to promote wickedness and show a united front in opposition against Jehovah God's right to decide for them what was "good or bad." Instead, they willingly gave open support for Satan's rulership, by obeying him.

So, the above opening questions, then reveal a lot about the true character of Jehovah's Witneses as a people. It shows whether Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, now that they have preached to the world about "Babylon The Great," and all, will they themselves show decisive action. Yes, will Jehovah's Witnesses, "Practice what they Preach," as they say. Your question reveals, whether they will, more importantly, TAKE DECISIVE ACTION on their parts, about this question of Babylon The Great, action that is consistent with what they preached and taught publicly to others of the world. The world of mankind, will be "witness" to this fact, too.

Sadly, in most instances we find, Jehovah's Witnesses conveniently become more "philosophical" about the whole affair. It now becomes an "academic" discussion, rather than an urgent matter which demands real action on their parts. They are no longer really concerned as to whether they themselves could be potentially trapped within wicked "Babylon the Great." So your question becomes meaningless to them, in essence...just as the original question became to members of the religions of the world when JWs posed it to them, before this great awakening of the wickedness of the WTS & Company.

But Jesus promised:

"For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, neither anything carefully concealed that will never become known and never come into the open." -- Luke 8:17

We, as Jehovah's Witnesses are now dealing with that realization today. And how we handle it, says a lot to Jehovah, Jesus and Satan, who are certainly watching.

Some of God's Name People, Jehovah's Witnesses, even teach that this discussion of whether one is in Babylon the Great or not, is no longer an urgent matter to Jehovah and Jesus anymore, since all can see the JW Organization is floundering (like the churches of the world), without a "rudder" to steer the "ship" [Organization] anymore. They reason, that since no religion of our times, really measures up, it is probably NOT necessary to really know exactly, who "Babylon the Great" is anyway. They say, "Let's just focus on for all our brothers, and let Jesus handle the real problems... about who Babylon the Great really is."

Others say, perhaps, we can "reform" the organization, when the "old heads die off" at Bethel, many, many years from now. Which of course, in both cases mentioned above, again requires NO ACTION upon their parts. How convenient.

Or, some say, "why don't we just quit telling people in field service that our brand of religion is any better than theirs... Let's just console the poor souls and read them a comforting scripture or two about the future, but don't invite them necessarily to the meetings. Afterall, we don't have anything better to offer them at the kingdom halls, it seems."

Actually, as we can see, our opening questions and our response to such questions, actually reveals the true depth of our devotion and the righteousness of our personal claims to worship Jehovah our God in "spirit and truth", as Jehovah's Witnesses. (John 4:24) Yes, after preaching for over a century to the churches, various religions and peoples of the world, plainly telling them to "get out of Babylon the Great", just how do you think we look NOW in the eyes of Jehovah and Jesus Christ, and even Satan the Devil too, when real, sinister corruption and wickedness has been "revealed" to be "in our own midst", among ourselves as an organization, and we give such a response as described above? Yes, conniving wickedness of such magnitude that God Himself, would turn away from us, as an organized people. (See Deuteronomy 23:14; John 8:29.) Just how do you think we look, after preaching for over 125 years about "getting out of Babylon the Great," yes, for that long? How do we look, we must ask? -- 2 Corinthians 6:17, 18

To be sure, Satan is doing everything in his power to "conquer" us all, just like a "roaring lion" would do when seeking prey. Therefore the only thing that can truly save us from such a fate, is the pursuit of Divine Truth, real truth from Almighty God. We must seek for it, as for gold and for silver, search for it as we would for "hidden treasure," the bible tells us. We must seek to understand God's Word, by constantly "knocking" for more understanding. -- Proverbs 2:3-6; 4:5-7; Matthew 7:7,8

So, no doubt the primary way one can fully "conquer" Satan, is by searching out spiritual "truths", Divine Truths that formerly may have been long "hidden" from mankind in general, since the time of Jesus. Things Jesus called in many of his parables, the "Sacred Secrets of the Kingdom." -- Matthew 13:11; Romans 16:25-27

As many of Jehovah's Witnesses are beginning to find out, these Divine Truths we speak of, are actually teachings and "understandings" that apparently Jehovah and Jesus have "long hidden" not only from the world of mankind in general, but even from the WTS and company too. Yes, with the passage of time, time has shown, the WTS still DOES NOT understand today these Sacred Truths, and bible prophecy.

But even so, that does not mean the true understanding of these spiritual "truths" can not be had by all who "call upon the Lord out of a clean heart," as "Israel" today. (2 Timothy 2:22) To be sure, all Jehovah's Witnesses of our time, who truly wish to know and are willing to search for these Divine Truths, can indeed find them and "conquer" Satan.

To be sure, we can "conquer Satan" and really learn "Divine Truths"...if we really search for it, like for "gold or silver"...keep on knocking...keep on seeking for it. -- Proverbs 2:3-6; 4:5-7; Matthew 7:7,8

End of Part 1.

6th Angel

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Part 2.

She "Lives In Shameless Luxury" -- Revelation 18:3, 7, 9

Revelation 18:3 says of Babylon the Great,

"For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.

Yes, Babylon the Great...the one who "lives in shameless luxury." The one who can show the "power of her shameless luxury," in her wealth.

Revelation 18:7-9 says of her:

"To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, 'I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning,' That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong. And the kings of the earth who committed fornication with her and lived in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her, when they look at the smoke from the burning of her."

Yes, who is this "Babylon the Great," who delights in "glorifying herself," and who "sits as a queen," living deliciously, reveling in her great wealth, lavishing herself in the "power of her shameless luxury"? Yes, and who are these "kings of the earth", who also "lived in shameless luxury" with her, and yes, who have conspired to "commit fornication with her" and "drink the wine of her fornication" before God and man? -- Revelation 17:2; Revelation 18:9


So, we are like John, completely fascinated by what he saw! Yes, like John who when he first saw her, that old harlot Babylon, that sat upon a "wild beast" that was strangely coming out of a "wilderness"...he wondered greatly about her. He wondered: Who is she, what is she? Why does she sit upon "many waters" and what could this mean? He must have wondered: Who are those in whom she has wickedly made "drunk with the wine of her fornication"? And also, who are these "kings of the earth" that Babylon The Great has a "kingdom over?" The ones who assist her, in her outright revolt before God and mankind. -- Revelation 17:2-7; 17:18; 18:3, 9,10

In reference to the "kings of the earth," someone might say: "I know...that's an easy one. You see, the 'kings of the earth' are the political rulers of our world." And that person, that beaming Jehovah's Witness might add, "why even my young 9-year old son or daughter could have figured that one out." At least, so we might think. But think, is it really that easy to figure out, yes exactly who these "kings of the earth" actually are in the book of Revelation? So easy that a young adolescent could reason it out on the first try. A "Mystery" [Greek: mysterion ] or "Sacred Secret" so great, that it has persisted down to our day now, for close to 2,000 years? Is it so easy, to really figure out, these great "Sacred Secrets" of the book of Revelation, do you think?

Well then we must ask, is it so the "kings of the earth," actually represent,

the political rulers, all over the earth, that the wily, world empire of false religion exhibits somehow, some uncanny superior "control", power over.

At first glance, we might tend to think so. And that is precisely what the WTS teaches on the matter, and has taught for many years. But, is this truly the case?

Let’s see.

The word "kings" is an interesting word here, in the verses cited above from the book of Revelation. (Revelation 17:2; 18; 18:9, 10) It is the Greek word basileus which according to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and Dictionary: is taken from a word that gives the:

"notion of a foundation of power; a sovereign [either] abstractly, relatively, or figuratively."

In other words, it would include any person in a position of "power" or authority, either "abstractly, relatively, or figuratively." It is a relative term and therefore is not limited to political figures.

Again, someone may object here and say:

"…clearly now, it says `kings of the earth.' And that would have to be political figures, political rulers of our secular world, wouldn't it?"

ABSOLUTELY NOT! In fact, we could take it a step further and say with complete confidence, these "kings of the earth" CANNOT be political figures themselves. Why?

Because when the Woman [Babylon the Great] is said to be destroyed by the scarlet-colored political "beast," yes, the "kings of the earth" are "STANDING AT A DISTANCE," yes, “standing at a distance,” weeping profusely over her destruction, as clearly indicated at Revelation 18:9,10. – Please consider.

Yes, according to Revelation 18:9 & 10, these verses, clearly places these "kings of the earth" in a different perspective from the political "beast" that carries out the devastation upon Babylon!

Of course, devoted Jehovah's Witness at this point would surely say,

“Let's check the WTS’ publications…I don’t think we have the clear understanding of what the WTS teaches here…something is wrong, clearly…let’s check out the publications…the WTS' publications on the matter.”

Yes, let’s get the actual quotes from the Watch Tower Society to clear up the matter of just who these "kings of the earth" are. Let's first notice this quote concerning the "ten horns" of Revelation 17:12-14 who carry out the destruction of Babylon the Great. On page 594 par. # 1 of the publication Babylon the Great HAS FALLEN! -- God Kingdom Rules, we find this comment. It says:

"In Daniel's prophecy, horns on the head of a symbolic animal are used to represent individual kings or national rulers. As the number ten is used in the Bible to stand for earthly completeness or perfection, the expression "ten horns" would symbolize, not ten literally, but ALL OR THE COMPLETE NUMBER OF KINGS OR NATIONAL RULERS ON EARTH."

Yes, in this explanation, "ten" represents earthly completeness and therefore stands for the "COMPLETE NUMBER of kings or national rulers on earth." Yes, these "kings" will be united in their destruction of Babylon the Great.

However notice this comment from the same publication on page 609 par. # 1 on the subject of the "kings of the earth." It states:

"Those mourning kings could hardly be identical in personality with the symbolic ten horns of the scarlet colored wild beast that hate the harlot, Babylon the Great, and devastate her and burn her with fire. They are kings or political rulers who fornicated and enjoyed shameless luxury with her during her popularity and who do not turn on her. They have been taken by surprise, because, as they themselves mournfully say, Jehovah's execution of judgment upon her arrived `in one hour.' What fun they used to have with her! But, when judgment comes like a thief, they cannot help or preserve her for their further unclean pleasure. Afraid to interfere, they stand off in fear of sharing the fiery torment with her. Still, they share responsibility for her crimes. So, next in order they will inescapably suffer pain when God executes judgment upon them."


Well, now let's think about what we have just read. YES, THINK! (Proverbs 3:21) In the first explanation, they say the "ten horns" are the "complete number of kings or national rulers on earth." These "kings" carry out the destruction of Babylon the Great. But in the second explanation, they say that the "mourning" kings of the earth "could hardly be identical in personality with the symbolic ten horns of the scarlet colored wild beast." Well, if the "ten horns" picture the "complete" number of rulers upon the earth, then who are these other "kings," who stand at a distance? Yes, who are they? Can you believe your eyes! Yes, the Watch Tower Society, in less than 15 pages apart in the same book, totally contradicts themselves!

Those pages again are: 594 par. 1 and 609 par. 1, from the Babylon the Great Has Fallen – God’s Kingdom Rules Publication. Please check this information out for yourself and see if this is not what the WTS teaches.

Remember, the Watchtower Society says that the "beast" actually represents the political rulers of the world, right? And yet they also say that the "kings of the earth" are `weeping' because of her destruction. Now, we must ask,

how can the "kings of the earth" be "weeping" over her destruction and at the same time be the very ones carrying out her destruction? How can that be?

Why its simply an impossibility!

If that were true, the "kings of the earth" would have to be in two places at the same time, wouldn't they? And we know, that's not so.


Also, another important clue being overlooked that would have helped sincere Jehovah's Witnesses identify this mystery Woman is given to us at Revelation 18:9,10 which says:

"And the kings of the earth who committed fornication with her and lived in SHAMELESS LUXURY will weep and beat themselves in grief over her, when they look at the smoke from the burning of her, while they stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say, 'Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!

Really, are the secular kings of this world, divided in their opinion, even "weeping" over the destruction of Babylon the Great, as the scriptures indicate above? Are some political kings over here in favor of destroying Babylon the Great and other political kings over there not in favor of destroying her? Is that what the verses indicate, above?

No, the book of Revelation itself, does not teach this as we shall soon see! And further we must ask, another question: what do the kings of the secular world really have to "fear" concerning the destruction of Babylon the Great, anyway? In what way, can “fear” be inspired in the Political Rulers of this earth, with only the destruction of “Babylon the Great?” In what way? Actually, these “king of the earth,” would only be in “fear” because of the destruction of Babylon the Great, unless, yes unless, perhaps, they are somehow CONNECTED with this great, wicked religious entity…somehow connected with her…somehow. Thus suggesting the idea that they are NOT Political “kings,” at all…no not at all. “Kings,” but not political “kings.”

Let's explore these thoughts…these possibilities.

First of all, the kings of this secular world would have nothing to "fear" from the destruction of Babylon the Great, since they are the very ones carrying out this destruction! Think about it! What sense does it make to think that the very individuals bringing about Babylon's destruction, are really "weeping" over her and in great "fear?" Does that make sense to you?

Also, they would not be "standing off at a distance" either. No, because they are right there, yes, very present, carrying out this powerful destruction work! And the Bible makes quite clear that they are not half-hearted or divided even in this wrecking work! They delight in doing it! Revelation 17:12-14 plainly says:

"And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings, one hour with the wild beast. These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast..."

Did you notice that "ten kings" are spoken of here? As you recall, the Watchtower Society teaches that the number "ten" is a number of earthly completeness. Therefore, if what the Watchtower Society teaches is true, all the "kings of the earth" are in harmony with the destruction of "Babylon the Great, right? And if they have "one thought" or one idea about destroying her, then they are not divided in anyway, in thought or in action. They work as a team.

Also, how about the expression "SHAMELESS LUXURY" mentioned at Revelation 18:3, 7, and 9? These verses give us a very important clue also in identifying the mysterious Babylon the Great. We remember it is also said of Babylon the Great that she lives in "shameless luxury." Yes she is filthy rich and quite lavish in her spending...UPON HERSELF! She even "glorifies herself" in her "shameless luxury" even. (Revelation 18:7) Could it be possible that the two are somehow sharing the wealth? Could it be? Yes, could there be a sharing of the wealth, as it were. Notice:

"And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom OVER the kings of the earth." -- Revelation 17:18

Yes, she has authority even OVER these particular figurative "kings of the earth." She has a government, or "kingdom" OVER these "kings" or officials of the "earth." Obviously, her "kingdom" or government is not a secular government of any kind – no, not based upon what we have learned thus far. Therefore, this must be a figurative government or rulership, yes a spiritual "kingdom." Therefore, could it be these high officials or "kings" are the spiritual leaders or authority figures of the one and same organization that Babylon reigns supreme over as "Queen?" Could this be possible? — See Revelation 18:7


But, why does it say "kings of the earth?" Certainly this would mean rulers of the planet earth in which we inhabit, wouldn't it? Well, let's go back to the eleventh chapter of Revelation to clear up this matter. We read at Revelation 11:7-10 concerning the activity of the "Two Witnesses" this:

"And when they [Two Witnesses] have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them. And their corpses will be on the broad way of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt. And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days, and they do not let their corpses be laid in a tomb. And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and enjoy themselves, and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those dwelling on the earth."

These verses contain some important clues to help us identify Babylon the Great. First, we notice that the Two Witnesses' ministry torment "those dwelling on the earth." Now, who is being "tormented" here, the world of over 6 billion plus? Hardly, since it would take a massive army indeed to reach so many people! From what we know of the coming "Two Witnesses" as mentioned in prophecy, they will prove to be a small army, by comparison. These "Two Witnesses," will be assigned the task of carrying out a particular ministry toward a particular people on earth today, and not the world in general. Yes, "judgment starts with the House of God." Therefore, their ministry is confined to these particular people, the "House of God." (1 Peter 4:17) John himself was told at Revelation 11:1 to:

"Get up and measure the temple [sanctuary] of God and the altar and those worshipping in it."

Now, who would that be?

Well, who do you think would best represent:

(a) the temple or sanctuary,
(b) the altar,
(c) and those worshiping in it?

Again, before you answer that question, add to it this thought:

"they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months."

Again, who do you think would best fit this description?

Clearly, it has to be someone who is involved in "worship;" someone designated as the "holy city." Obviously, someone, although rendering sacred service to God, yet needing to be "measured." Does this not indicate the actual reason and need for a "42 month trampling" period? Jehovah does not exact punishment without there being a real cause, does He? (Please read Proverbs 26:2.) This description therefore, could fit no people better than the Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation!

Actually, whether they know it or not, Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization are directly tied into the prophetic drama! The prophetic drama being: Jehovah's Witnesses as spiritual "Israel" in total captivity to wicked "Babylon the Great", the wicked WTS. Yes, in the near future, it we can fully expect, mystery woman Babylon the Great to irrefutably proved to be, revealed to be, none other than the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, with its Governing Body, which presently leads (Israel), 6 million clueless Jehovah's Witnesses, in close to 100,000 congregations worldwide. However, before we go any farther, let us make this important point:

PLEASE NOTE: The actual "fall" of Babylon the Great, which will ultimately lead to the GRAND EXODUS of numerous Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation in the not-to-distant future, has occurred! Yes, this particular "fall" that modern day “Babylon the Great” suffers, AKA Watchtower Society, occurred in October 2001, when the leadership of the Watchtower Society was shown to be spiritual "fornicators" in God's sight and brought serious "guilt" upon the entire spiritual nation of Israel! -- Leviticus 4:3; Revelation 14:8

...Think about it...

Nevertheless, at this point, someone will say:

"Well, what about Christendom?" Why couldn't Christendom, as well the religions of pagandom, still prove to be the wicked "Babylon the Great," as the Watchtower Society has said?

Well, could you really say that, Christendom is a "holy city," in any way? Actually, Christendom in no way could be said to be a "holy city," or likened to the `city where the Lord was impaled,' Jerusalem. (Revelation 11:8) Neither could Christendom be said to be in a "covenant" relationship with Jehovah. And since they are not in a "covenant" relationship with Jehovah, neither could they be "acting wickedly AGAINST that covenant," the New Covenant instituted by Jesus Christ, at Pentecost of the first century. No, Jehovah would not make a "covenant" with someone who worships Jesus Christ, His Son. Christendom has been purely idolatrous from the start, on record for some 1,700 years now! (Daniel 11:30, 32) Further, those who are "worshipping" at the "temple" and "altar" are really "priests." Yes, Priests! Now, who could better fit this description than the "priests" or spiritual leaders at Brooklyn Headquarters, where the "altar" and "temple/sanctuary" are.

Let's notice Verse 6 of Chapter 11 of the book of Revelation. It says:

"These [Two Witnesses] have the authority to shut up heaven that no rain should fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have authority over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every sort of plague as often as they wish."

Again, to whom is the attack of the "Two Witnesses" directed? To the world in general, the whole 6 billion inhabitants of this planet we call earth? Hardly! The word "earth" here must mean those who are a part of the organization that supports the "priestly" functions spoken of in verses 1 and 2. In fact, we find that this is a crucial key to understanding the book of Revelation. That is understanding usages of figuratives terms like "earth," "sea", and so on.

Therefore, the "kings of the earth" are really authority figures of the Watchtower Society. These would include: Branch Committee Staff or Branch Overseers, Districts Overseers, and Circuit Overseers, KM Instructors, and so on on a world-wide scale. These ones will "commit fornication" with the woman by willingly supporting the Society in it's perverse and apostate actions of "placing the Beast" in the place where he "ought not be" — in the "holy place" or in the organization itself, in complete and total "apostasy" under the direction of the "King of the North", who is shortly to rise up in our time! (Daniel 11:32) Yes, bible prophecy reveals the WTS, Babylon the Great, will when pressured comply and and give full and open support to the filthy, political beast-like United Nations Organization, directed by the "King of the North," out of fear to save their `own hides.' God's Written Word will not fail in this matter. Babylon will compromise and drag down many of "Israel" with her, those she holds in complete and total "captivity" and abject slavery to her! And the figurative "kings of the earth", will also give the needed assistance to accomplish the earthwide mission of destruction and apostasy before God and man. -- Daniel 11:32; Zechariah 13:4-6; Revelation 13:4, 16, 17; Revelation 21:8


In fact this situation shouldn't be too surprising to inquiring Jehovah's Witnesses, since it has already been proven the Watchtower Society will compromise, and commit spiritual fornication. And that's because, they have ALREADY DONE IT. Yes, we know the WTS is fully capable of doing this, especially since it has recently come to light about the elicit affair the Governing Body secretly had with the United Nations Organization, as a secret NGO publicity agent for the Department of Public Information for the UN. Yes, during a 10-year period, the WTS willingly agreed to use the Awake! magazine (and other publications if necessary) as a tool for the United Nations Organization, yes, to highlight its virtues. That is an accomplished fact, that can be documented.

And of course when this came to light by the Press, the WTS and its Governing Body LIED about the whole affair, to all 90 plus branches, in written correspondence to them when questioned, correspondence dated November 1, 2001. At that time, the WTS sent forth the famous "library card" lie, about why they joined the ranks of "worldly" religious organizations of our time, who are NGOs too for the UN Organization. They claimed to have mistakenly joined, only so that they could use the Library of the United Nations. But that has been proven a blatant lie many times over by sincere Jehovah's Witnesses who were willing to research the matter. In fact, it is common knowledge that one does not have to join as a NGO for the United Nations, just to use their Library. So that "lie" was easy to substantiate or disprove.

And to further this "Library Card" lie, the actual "wine of her fornication," these figurative "kings" also knew full well the WTS had used yes, so-called "theocratic strategy" upon their own brothers, a complete no-no, according the definition the WTS gives to this procedure, in their own publications. Yes, these figurative "kings of the earth", actually know what they are doing and they know exactly what the Watch Tower Society is doing. So, they CONSPIRE TOGETHER, to "commit fornication" together as secret collaborators, to uphold the Watchtower Society in its hidden, unrevealed spiritual "fornication" before God and man. Yes, they perpetuate the "wine of her fornication", the "Library Card" Lie itself, to make all the "nations", Jehovah's Witnesses internationally speaking, spiritually "drunk", in spiritual revelry before God. This spiritual compromise, this spiritual "mixing" or "adulterating" of mixing religion with Satan's political system is total compromise in God eyes and Jesus'. This means, no matter what we think: This great sin must be faced and "atoned for" before God's Eternal Favor can be restored to the nation of Jehovah's Witnesses, as Modern Day "Israel." It is a NATIONAL Sin, for the nation. And one that Jesus Christ as Head of the Congregation, is most concerned about. -- See Leviticus 4:3.

FACT: The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses willingly committed spiritual fornication for close to 10 years, when they became NGO publicity agents for the Department of Public Information of the United Nations Organization -- from January 1992 thru October 2001. And when caught, they UNREPENTANTLY lied about it. They lied about it, something we know Jehovah God hates....lying. (Proverbs 6:16-19; Revelation 21:8) Is it any wonder, the "Library Card" lie, is shown to be in the book of Revelation, yes, the "wine of her fornication" where countless "nations" of God's Name People worldwide, are stumbled by her, intoxicated by her mouth of falsehood and deceit. (See Revelation 17:2.) Also, this becomes the "wine of the ANGER of her fornication" that "all the nations have fallen victim to." (See Revelation 18:3.) Yes, that mysterious "library card" story, the Governing Body told back in the year of 2001, and still to this day, persists in telling the brotherhood who inquire about it. Yes, this is what the Governing Body did. So then, this brings about great "anger" on Jehovah's part. That is, God's "Anger" against those in OPEN REVOLT against Him. -- See Revelation 14:8.

So God's Word shows, the "kings of the earth," help Babylon in her "fornication." They commit fornication as the bible say, "WITH HER," as willing accomplices, to deceive the brotherhood of Jehovah's Witnesses, with this awful "Library Card" Lie. And, as they are doing right now presently, giving their full support to the WTS even knowing what the WTS has done "behind closed doors" in connection with the UN, then, we can fully expect that they will again willingly also go along with the WTS's FUTURE adulterous antics, to again mix religion with politics when confronted with the "Johnny come lately," most ruthless and oppressive "king of the North" ... a near future event for all of us...when he comes thru the "land of Decoration" destructively upon all Jehovah's Witnesses, after the fast approaching "Great War" is won by him. -- Daniel 10:1 (NIV); 11:32; 11:40, 41 New World Translation

Therefore, these figurative "kings of the earth" will prove to be the key men that will help the Society maintain it's control over the international "many waters," where the woman "sits" on top as "queen" and "mother of the harlots", mother of the 95,000 harlot-like "congregations" that she has sullied before Jehovah and Jesus. -- Revelation 17:1,5,7,15


Are Jehovah's Witnesses To Be Charged With The Sins Of The Governing Body And Watchtower Society???

Some may wonder, are Jehovah's Witnesses responsible for the "sins" of their leaders, namely those sins of the Governing Body and Watchtower Society itself?

Well, to arrive at the proper scriptural answer namely, "are we responsible for the sins of our leaders," lets consider the following verses:

(Acts 2:23) this [man], as one delivered up by the determined counsel and foreknowledge of God, YOU fastened to a stake by the hand of lawless men and did away with.

(Acts 2:37-38) Now when they heard this they were stabbed to the heart, and they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles: "Men, brothers, what shall we do?" 38 Peter [said] to them: "Repent, and let each one of YOU be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of YOUR sins, and YOU will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.

It is clear from the above scriptures that Peter charged the ENTIRE NATION of Israel with the sin of murdering Jesus. However, most bible students know that it was mainly the Pharisees and the religious leaders that actually caused the death of Jesus and not the general populous of Israel. So then, why did Peter say this?

Actually, Peter could charge the entire nation of Israel with this sin because of whats called "community guilt." This is something the Jewish nation was taught, through God' Law to the people. An excellent example of 'community guilt' taught in holy scripture is shown for us at Revelation 18:4, where God's declares all supporters and members of Babylon the Great, must completely renounce her, and "COME OUT OF HER," lest they be charged with ALL OF HER SINS. This is God's standard of justice, even for us today.

It becomes just as Jesus said:

(Luke 11:49-51) "On this account the wisdom of God also said, 'I will send forth to them prophets and apostles, and they will kill and persecute some of them, so that the blood of all the prophets spilled from the founding of the world may be required from this generation, from the blood of Abel down to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah, who was slain between the altar and the house.' Yes, I tell YOU, it will be required from this generation.

The above words of Jesus show the "ENTIRE GENERATION" of Jewish people of Jesus' time, were to be charged with the sins of their leaders, who actually carried out and sponsored the heinous murders of the holy prophets, public instructors, and apostles that God sent to the nation itself. - Matthew 23:34-37

Today, we are revisiting this same situation, with the heavy sins of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and the NGO United Nations 10-year affair, being laid upon the entire nation of Jehovah's Witnesses. This guilt is to be laid squarely upon the entire nation itself, even though they are NOT DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for it. The guilt of this sin, and many others, remain squarely upon this people.

When Jehovah executes judgment upon wicked Babylon The Great, the bloodguiltiness of her, is revealed in the following words,

(Revelation 18:20, 24) "Be glad over her, O heaven, also YOU holy ones and YOU apostles and YOU prophets, because God has judicially exacted punishment for YOU from her!" ... Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth."

So the same would be true today of any who would be found in Babylon the Great, as God's Word shows they will be charged with ALL ... ALL of the bloodguiltiness and sins of this wicked entity, via "community guilt."

Of course, many are familiar with the Watchtower Society's foolish explanation of Revelation 18:20, 24 where they charge the world empire of false religion down thru the ages of time, to be guilty of "spilling the blood" of God's Prophets, Apostles, and Holy Ones of God, yes the blood of all those who have been "slaughtered upon the earth." They claim this has been accomplished by all of the wars fought on the earth, down thru the years, that were religiously inspired by false religions of our time. (See Revelation -- Its Grand Climax At Hand! pages 270, 271.)

However, this explanation of things is completely false and highly UNPROVABLE...why? Well, here is the big reason why.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE WORLDWIDE EMPIRE OF FALSE RELIGION, (Babylon The Great as they understand it) TO BE CHARGED WITH SPILLING THE BLOOD OF THE APOSTLES, HOLY ONES, AND PROPHETS of God! No, it is totally impossible. Because, if so, which of these [pagan] religions of the nations, then is responsible for the deaths of faithful men like Peter, James, or Stephen?

Practically, every keen bible student on earth is fully aware of who was responsible for the vicious murder of the righteous man, Stephen? Was it not the religious leaders of Israel? Also, was not the apostle James himself, murdered by Herod, who did this only to please those of the Jewish faith? -- See Acts 7:54-8:1; Acts 12:2, 3.

So it became exactly as Jesus had said of this wicked city of "Jerusalem," the city that represented God's Name (Jeremiah 25:29) ...he said:

"For this reason, here I am sending forth to you prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them you will kill and impale, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city; that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar...Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her..." -- Matthew 23:34-37

Therefore, if what the Watchtower Society says is true, namely that the "world empire of false religion," (as Babylon the Great) is responsible for "spilling all the blood" of the apostles, prophets and holy ones, then Jesus himself must have been in ERROR, when he clearly said that "Jerusalem," the city that bears God's Name, was the one that was guilty of spilling the blood of the "prophets", "wise men," and "public instructors," sent to her, per Matthew 23:34. Think about it.

However some devout Jehovah's Witnesses at this point may say:

“well, Revelation 18:24 specifically says, not only is Babylon the Great responsible for spilling the blood of the holy ones, prophets and apostles, but of ALL those slaughtered on the earth”.

And yes, the verse does say this. This is true. But doesn't Revelation 18:20 also say to certain ones after the destruction of Babylon The Great:

“Be glad over her, O Heavens, also you holy ones and you apostles and you prophets, because God has judicially exacted punishment FOR YOU from her!

Clearly, this verse specifically addresses ‘apostles,’ ‘holy ones,’ and ‘prophets’ as the particular ones in whom, Jehovah was avenging the blood of, yes, those "holy ones," "prophets," and of course "apostles" that were sent to His people and murdered, and not the world in general who had died on some battlefield and conflict of mankind. Isn't that so? -- Compare Luke 11:49-51.

Therefore, Jesus’ words recorded in Matthew 23rd chapter were thus, directed to the religious leaders of God’s people in his day, and not to the entire nation itelf. Yes, Jesus spoke to and CONDEMNED the ones who were directly responsible for the nation, the ones that specifically and deliberately "skinned" and "threw the sheep all about," yes the Pharisees and other religious leaders of the nation. Yes, the main ones that did not pay heed or attention to God’s messengers when sent to them. The ones that secretly perpetrated their murders. -- See Matthew 9:36; Matthew 23rd chapter.

Yes, Jesus said to these religious leaders,

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you build the graves of the prophets and decorate the memorial tombs of the righteous ones, and you say, If we were in the days of our forefathers, we would not be sharers with them in the blood of the prophets. Therefore you are bearing witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the are you to flee from the judgment of Gehenna?" -- Matthew 23:29-33

Yes, Jesus righteously condemned the religious leaders of his time, for the outright "murder" of the "prophets" and holy men of old, that was sent to Jerusalem, God's Name People. Therefore, it is imperative that we correctly understand the wicked entity of our times which is called "Babylon The Great", yes to be a Modern-day symbolic "Babylon The Great" that perpetrates hatred, martyrdom and spiritual "captivity" on an unprecedented world-wide scale upon God's Name People, Jehovah's Witnesses. Therefore, we don't confuse the issue here. No, we know modern-day Babylon the Great, then is not necessarily to be understood as picturing every single individual Jehovah's Witness within the Organization itself. No, but we know modern-day Babylon The Great of our times, specifically pictures the wicked leadership, the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Pharisical Leadership of God's Name People today, the ones who have the primary responsibility of keeping the nation of Jehovah's Witnesses on track. Yes, the villianous, nefarious, vile Watchtower Society Leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses itself -- Think about it.

Therefore, we today appropriately say then, the famous words at Revelation 18:4 can best be understood to clearly be directed to “MY PEOPLE,” God's Name People, those who picture the "Israel of God"...the ones who have been trapped in spiritual "captivity" to the Modern-Day Pharisaical Leadership of the Watchtower Society. Yes, God's People, the "my people" of Revelation 18:4 -- The very ones who have been most "hindered" from fully pleasing Jehovah God, and consequently, "hindered" from getting into God's Kingdom, because of the teachings and practices of their leadership, the Watchtower Society. Yes, modern-day "Babylon The Great" has wickedly “taken the key of knowledge away” from modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, the modern-day nation of Israel, just as the Pharisees & Company had done in Jesus’ day. – Luke 11:52


Now, how many times have we as Jehovah's Witnesses heard the expression:

the "mother organization" or "mother Bethel"?

She is viewed almost the same way the Catholics view the "Virgin Mother Mary." How disgusting! How revolting! It is even blasphemous! And who are the main ones promulgating such viewpoints? Why isn't it, the primary authority figures the congregations of our day: Branch Overseers, District Overseers and Circuit Overseers, KM School Instructors, who else. And of course, the figurative "kings of the earth" are said to enjoy "shameless luxury" just as does the woman. Yes, they "share" in it. So in actuality, these "kings" really do reap the benefits in being authority figures for the Watchtower Society, since their every need and want is taken care of by the "brothers" in the organization, at the WTS' command and behest. Isn't that so?

Yes, in fact, in many instances, these figurative "kings" have become truly an "expensive burden" upon the brethren. ( 1 Thessalonians 2:9 ) For example, in America alone, the health care, dental care, clothing bill...automobile expense and insurances and so on, have proven to be quite expensive. And when it comes to clothing, we all know, these figurative "kings" wear only the finest suits and use only the finest toiletries, dine only on the finest foods,...expensive items that really cost the "brothers" millions of dollars each year! We all know this, as Jehovah's Witnesses, do we not?

And again, what about their VEHICLES, yes, all of those expensive "Suburbans", only new ones will do...don't you remember, and also those expensive TRAVEL TRAILERS and APARTMENTS, which may cost the brothers, yes, the brothers, in some instances, in excess $50,000 or more EACH! It has been reported that, in one circuit, leading elders got together, over 50 of them, and personally purchased, a BUS MOTOR HOME, a bus, an expensive home on wheels, valued somewhere in the neighborhood of close to $250,000 when completed back in the 1980s, and was privately presented as a "gift" to a Circuit Overseer in the USA. Amazing indeed!

Now, what kind of example, would such an individual be setting for the lowly pioneer brothers, he has to serve, would you say? Could you say, this figurative "king", was truly imitating the example Jesus Christ left us? Or, was he imitating the sterling example Paul left us, as a Missionary? Is this even the attitude held out to Pioneers who have transportation problems, while in the service?

Let's see.

Lets notice this comment taken from the Watchtower magazine on the subject of "pioneering" despite obstacles with the all important "self-sacrificing" spirit that must be maintained. We chose this quote because it particularly deals with the question of "transportation" or lack of it. And we quote:

"If a car costs more than the pioneer can afford, why be forced to stop the pioneer ministry just to have a car? Many find it possible to pioneer even in rural territory without a car by traveling with others or using public transportation or riding a bicycle or just by walking. After all, Jesus did not have a car or even a bicycle to get around the territory where he preached, and much of it was rural territory. All in the full-time ministry, whether congregation publishers or pioneers, do well to cultivate the attitude of the apostle Paul, who said, `So, having sustenance and covering, we shall be content with these things.' (1 Timothy 6:8) Paul did not worry about getting a racing chariot to help him in his travels."

Did you get the point? The lowly "pioneer" is supposed to be self-sacrificing, no he does not need a car, even in rural territory! Yes, HE CAN WALK! — See 1971 Watchtower pgs. 337, 338 par. 13.

However, do we see any Traveling Overseer "walking" to his assignment like Jesus? Do we? Do we see any Branch Overseer, District Overseer or Bethel Elder, and heaven forbid, Governing Body member "walking" or `doing without' the same way that Jesus exemplified? Do we? (Matthew 8:20) What disgusting hypocrites they are! Are not the religious leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization just like the Pharisees of Jesus' day. Notice what Jesus said of them:

"Therefore all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but do not perform. They bind up heavy loads and put them upon the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger." Think about it. — Matthew 23:3, 4

In fact, most, (with very few exceptions) could not with a clear conscience, say as did Paul:

"I have coveted no man's silver or gold or apparel. You yourselves know that these hands have attended to the needs of me and of those with me." — Acts 20:33, 34

Yes, Paul worked with his "own hands" to attend to the needs of himself and those in his company. No, Traveling Overseer (Circuit or District) or penthouse-dwelling, yes, no PATTERSON ESTATE-DWELLING, Bethelite can really say this, can they? Yes, the Grand, Lavish Patterson Estate, yes, this entire estate which was built with the brothers HARD EARNED MONEY, from all around the world, yes, this estate, which could easily be valued at some 200 MILLION DOLLARS! Yes, some 200 million dollars – easily comparible to the Bible’s description of the “LUXURIOUS," LAVISH-LIVING of “Queen,” Babylon the Great herself. Who can deny this? She clearly "lives" lavishly, as the bible said she would. And others live lavishly with her too…just as the Bible predicted about her… Who hasn’t heard of “Patterson-Estate,” the Great Education Center for Jehovah’s Witnesses. But is it a real education center, or what? And whose being “educated,” anyway? What is the real purpose of building such Lavish surrounding? Who gets to live there?

Really, as you know, only the “higher ups” from Bethel, the high officials at Bethel Headquarters…get to live there…not the common laborer or common "bethelite." No, but the “LUXURY,” the true “luxury-living,” is only reserved for these “Kingly” Bethelites whose apartments could be valued in the thousands of dollars per residence, while many of our brothers are living as indigents, in total poverty, in many parts of the earth…in some instances, not able to even afford collectively a kingdom hall between.

Case in Point: It has been revealed, thru the pages of the Watchtower Magazine itself, that some FIFTY (50) Congregations in Maputo City (Mozambique) are struggling to build ONE SINGLE KINGDOM HALL, that’s one kingdom hall, BETWEEN THEM. – See August 15, 1992 Watchtower pg. 24. Par. # 1

Now, how do you explain such a situation existing, when brothers are denoting money, constantly denoting money by way of the “Kingdom Hall Building Fund,” – how can you explain such a sitation developing…and pouring close to 200 MILLION DOLLARS in the Patterson-Estate facility (when you consider costly time denoted, materials, labor and other factors), and reserving it ONLY, yes only for the "Heavies," as they are called, the "Higher Ups" at Bethel?

How can any sincere Jehovah's Witness, explain this?

Is this not living in “luxury” on the part of the Watch Tower Society? The Bible says “she lives in SHAMELESS LUXURY,” that’s “shameless luxury”…she has no “shame” at all about how she lives and how she uses the money…while the brothers suffer…do we not see this with our very eyes today? What do you say? – See Revelation 18:3, 7, 9.

Actually, what Branch Committee Overseer, District Overseer, Circuit Overseer, with very few exceptions, which one on the Watchtower Society’s payroll worldwide, can say what Paul did with a clear conscience, as mentioned below:

"I have coveted no man's silver or gold or apparel. You yourselves know that these hands have attended to the needs of me and of those with me." — Acts 20:33, 34

And also:

“For I do not mean for it to be easy for others, but hard on you; but that by means of an equalizing your surplus just now might offset their deficiency, in order that their surplus might also come to offset your deficiency, that an equalizing might take place. Just as it is written: “The person with much did not have too much, and the person with little did not have too little.” – 2 Corinthians 8:14, 15

Do you think the Watchtower Society wishes to follow the counsel of Paul, when it comes to money, sharing money, yes millions of dollars that have been denoted to them? Is the WTS interested in an “offsetting of deficiency” among our poorer, less fortunate brothers, the inspired writer Paul, clearly recommended? Are they interested an “equalizing” of finances, say for example, in Maputo, Mozambique, Africa, and other poorer lands where financial help could be put to good use?

Or, would the Watchtower Society rather, continue to live in “SHAMELESS LUXURY,” in the GRAND PATTERSON-ESTATE? Which?

Which pursuit is “closer to the heart,” of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses? An “Equalizing,” an “offsetting of deficiencies” among the brotherhood worldwide, … or “LUXURIOUS,” lavish living for themselves…which?

We know the answer, don’t we? Indeed, all of the lavish-living, the “shameless luxury,” you see today, tell the story all too clearly. A person would have be clearly insane to say otherwise. The facts are right before our very eyes. All the “Shameless Luxury,” the Lavish-living you see by the “Kings of the Earth,” come from monies, funds, donated, yes contributed from the brothers worldwide, in one form or another. And these funds are clearly misappropriated. And it is done in a “shameless” fashion, without even trying to hide it. And whats worse, only the future will tell just how extravagant they will become in their pursuit of "luxury" after `climbing upon the back' of the [political] "beast" organization…in fulfillment of Daniel 11:32.

So we must ask again the question,

Who is this "woman" who "lives in shameless luxury," who lives in the "power of her luxury" before God and mankind? Who are these "kings of the earth" who, "share" in the wealth of this wicked "Queen" before God disdainfully? The "kings" who assist her in getting the "nations drunk" upon her "wine of her fornication"? And why does God say of Modern day "Israel" of our times:

"Get out of her, MY PEOPLE [Israel], if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind." -- Revelation 18:4, 5

To be sure, if we search our hearts, we will know exactly what we must do, in order to show ourselves to be fully pleasing to Jehovah God in imitation of our Exemplar, Jesus Christ. We will know what to do.

6th Angel

***This article was contributed by YORWW Bible Academy found at the website.***
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This is so true! That is why I have chosen to get out.

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This was a very powerful article, Babylon The Great -- What Is It?

The information found here - that WTBTS is "Babylon The Great", and actually being able to scripturally identify who Babylon The Great is, is a major accomplishment, great spiritual progress, because...

It is actually a "sacred secret"!

Read here the words of Jesus to his disciples:

(Matthew 13:11) 11 In reply he said: “To YOU it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the kingdom of the heavens, but to those people it is not granted.

The Bible is filled with many "mysteries", or "sacred secrets". The Greek word is "mysterion". This Greek word has been translated "mystery" or "sacred secret" according to the NWT. It carries the meaning of a "religious secret". This point has been noted for us in the footnote of the large print New World Translation Reference Bible, published by the Watch Tower Society. There are a number of other "religious secrets" or "mysteries", in Greek, mysterions.

(Revelation 17:5,7) 5 And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.” 7 And so the angel said to me: “Why is it you wondered? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the wild beast that is carrying her and that has the seven heads and the ten horns:

Here is a list of some other "religious secrets", discussed in detail in the document or book we call "THE REPORT".

1) "Babylon the Great" - Identity and Fall (Revelation 17:5,7)
2) "Man of Lawlessness" (2 Thessalonians 2:3,7)
3) The Modern Day "Servant" (Isaiah 49:1-7)
4) The "Kingdom of God" (Mark 4:11)
5) The "Good News as declared by God to his prophets" (Revelation 10:7)
6) The "Faithful Steward" and "Body of Attendants" (Luke 12:42)
7) Modern Day "Israel" and God's Discipline upon them (Micah 4:6,7)

If you can understand who Babylon The Great is, then apparently, Dave, to YOU it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the kingdom! That's wonderful!!! Keep reading!

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Dionna wrote:This is so true! That is why I have chosen to get out.
Oh, BTW we have an excellent article written that gives you some helpful guidelines in writing your letter of disassociation from the JW Organization, when you are ready to do so. Here is the link:

New Jerusalem Sets A Lofty Standard For God's Name People

...hope this helps. :)


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