Revelation 12 & Jehovah's Witnesses in Bible Prophecy

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Revelation 12 & Jehovah's Witnesses In Bible Prophecy

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(Revelation 12:1-5)

1 And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars,

2 and she was pregnant. And she cries out in her pains and in her agony to give birth.

3 And another sign was seen in heaven, and, look! a great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and upon its heads seven diadems;

4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, that, when she did give birth, it might devour her child.

5 And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to God and to his throne.

Verse-by-Verse Commentary from the YORWW Congregation:

Verse 1 of chapter 12 of the book of Revelation shown above speaks of a “great sign” being seen in “heaven.” In this instance, the “heaven” spoken of would picture the YORWW Congregation Arrangement, who are the only people on earth that correctly understand the events, as they occur within the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses on earth.

In the mysterious vision, the “12-star Crown” that is upon the “woman’s” head shows her to represent the “12 tribes” of Israel on earth, even as the “12 stars” in Joseph's dream pictured the same. (Genesis 37:9) The “crown” on the “woman” head also shows the “regal” status enjoyed by the “woman” who enjoys a heaven-high standing with God as God's Chosen “Name People.” (Acts 15:14) She specifically pictures, in bible prophecy, the “one third” repentant members of the nation that survive the “Great Tribulation” of wrath from God upon His Name People. -- Zechariah 13:8, 9; Revelation 7:9, 10, 14-17.

Next, we notice the “woman” is seen as arrayed with the “sun” at the head and the “moon” at her feet. In this case, the “sun” and “moon” picture the Governing Body and Watchtower Society entities respectively, as they provide “light” or enlightenment for this “crowned” woman, a “luminary” for the day, and a “luminary” for the night. (Genesis 1:16, 17) This way, she appeared to be in constant “light,” or enlightenment, as we would expect from a Temple-Arrangement from Jehovah God.

However to the contrary, God's prophetic word shows in the end, her “sun” will not give its expected light, and her “moon” will fail her and not give her much needed “light” either. No, they will not, since they will prove to be false “luminaries” who give false light, not true light from Jehovah. Therefore, she will one day have to learn to lean on Jehovah, for true light. Yes, Jehovah must one day, become her true light. Amen! -- See Isaiah 60:19, 20.

Verse 2 show the “woman,” God’s woman is “pregnant” and she cries out in her “pains” and “agony” to give birth to the “Male Child.” Indeed, Jehovah God has caused these “pains” and “agony” for the woman to give birth to His Son, the “Male Child.” These “pains” and “agony” associated with the “birth” are the troublesome times ahead for the Watchtower Society, especially with many reformed-minded (For examples of visible "reformers" among Jehovah's Witnesses see three [3] links below) ones quietly, secretly TAKING A STAND AGAINST the leadership (particularly the Governing Body) of Jehovah’s Witnesses at the kingdom halls around the world. To be sure, this special group for “reform” among Jehovah’s Witnesses are shown in bible prophecy to be called the “Two Witnesses” of Revelation 11:3-7. This will be a first for Jehovah’s Witnesses to actually witness, yes an actual “reform” movement going on within their midst. Jehovah's Witnesses, no, have never seen such before. Here are three (3) links that show the visible signs of "reformers" present among Jehovah's Witnesses today:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchto ... ngdom-Hall

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchto ... -this-week

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/frie ... H-PRIORITY

Of course, when all of this happens, no doubt all of this will seem to be very strange, a great mystery to the “woman” herself, since she will not fully understand the actual need for such reform “issues” that must be settled for the sake of righteousness. She does not understand such things, herself. And we can fully expect, at the center of these reform “issues” will be the heinous, clandestine activity of the Governing Body becoming NGO Supporters of the United Nations Organization, in secret, for some 10 years.

Verse 3 shows the wicked “dragon” to be “fiery-colored.” He is shown to be “fiery-colored” because he has become the instigator of a “Great War,” as spoken in the book of Daniel as being the foretold conflict of the “King of the North” against the “King of the South.” (Daniel 10:1; 11th chapter NIV) In this instance, the “fiery-colored” dragon reminds us of the “2nd Seal” spoken of in Revelation 6th chapter. Clearly, in this instance the “fiery-colored” (Red colored) Horse and its rider picture warfare, GLOBAL WARFARE, WORLD WAR III even, showing all during the time the Jehovah’s witnesses organization is going through these major upheavals of change and difficulty, there will be Great War being engaged in by the world in general. Please keep in mind, one of the main reasons Satan is starting this war is to keep the world’s attention away from these important events happening at the kingdom halls around the world. Of course, this means the activity of Jehovah’s Witnesses are very, very important to Satan. Think about it.

Verse 4 shows us, the “tail” of the “dragon” being used to “drag” and “throw down” heavenly “stars” that decorate the woman’s presence. This “tail” pictures the main point of strength of Satan, just as a literal dragon-like creature uses their “tail” as a weapon to sling their prey around or dash them to pieces in a death blow hit. In this instance, the “tail” like instrument pictures the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, that Satan fully controls, as the “man of lawlessness.” -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12

This particular instrument under Satan’s control, namely the Governing Body will “throw down” ONE THIRD OF THE “STARS” who picture approximately ONE THIRD (1/3) of the world-wide elder body of Jehovah’s Witnesses today. No doubt, these repentant or contrite [“repentance” pictured by the wearing of “sackcloth” as the “Two Witnesses”] reform “stars” or elders will be swiftly disciplined by the Governing Body because of the ideas of change or “reform” entertained by these “elders” who are quite dissatisfied by the recent decisions being made by the Governing Body themselves. (Revelation 11:3) These “stars” or “elders” (aka "Sheiks of Judah") of the “reform” movement simply can’t see themselves supporting the Governing Body and their decisions of recent, for the direction of the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Because of this “throwing down” action of the Governing Body upon these particular reform-minded “elders” or “stars,” these individuals will lose their positions of oversight with the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses. This particular “sign” as seen in “heaven” will be fully anticipated and expected by those who are part of the YORWW “Intimate Group” Prophetic Association. – See Zechariah 12:4-6; Jeremiah 23:18, 22; Revelation 12:1, 3.

Verse 5 shows the “Male Child” is born. These are shown to one day, “shepherd the nations with an iron rod” as official representatives of God’s Government and Kingdom on earth. (Matthew 6:10; Revelation 5:9, 10) These are the first to leave the Watchtower Society, the first to fully recognize that “reform” efforts are futile in God’s Eyes for the Jehovah’s Witnesses as an organization. In Bible prophecy, these ones are also called, the “Tents of Judah,” since they are “saved first” by God Himself. (Zechariah 12:7) Yes, the Watchtower Society and its Governing Body are now completely passed any point of repentance before God. The “Male Child” group can clearly see this, and so they leave the apostate organization of Jehovah’s witnesses behind. They are now willing to join the YORWW Arrangement, as God’s newly revealed, Beacon of Light for all who wish to please Jehovah. They now join the YORWW Arrangement, because they recognize it, as the Earthly Kingdom of God. -- Matthew 6:10; Daniel 2:44

Written By

Donald C. Burney


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Review Questions For Article: Revelation 12 and Jehovah’s Witnesses in Bible Prophecy


1. What is represented by the “heaven,” the “crown of 12 stars” upon the woman’s head, the “sun” at her head and the “moon” at her feet?

2. What are the “pains” and “agony” that this pregnant woman has before giving birth and why does Jehovah cause these?

3. Why is the “dragon” shown to be fiery-colored, or red and how does Revelation 6:3, 4 support this fact?

4. The dragon uses “his tail” to throw a third of the stars to the earth. Who represents this tail? Who are the “stars” and why are these” stars” being dragged by the “tail” of the dragon?

5. In what sense is the “Male Child” born from the woman and what do they now discern regarding the organization? What step do they take to show they want to please Jehovah?



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[Apollyon (Revelation 9:11)]

Hi all,

Ohhhhhh my! It has been observed that possibly some ... some Circuit/District Overseers in different parts of the the world secretly, are quite upset with the WTBTS and their policy changes of recent! Some are fussing/cussing mad, even! And, it has been suggested, as we speak, they are coordinating their efforts, and possibly "organizing" AGAINST the Governing Body!!!

And, what all of that means is yes, Bible prophecy is right before us, to be fulfilled!!!

Indeed, Zechariah 12:6 tells us the "shieks of Judah" [Circuit/District Overseers] will "become a firepot" to take the lead as the "Two Witnesses," who lead the "reformers" toward repentance in a special movement among Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide ... AGAINST the Governing Body. That's AGAINST the Governing Body. And, after this coordinated movement starts, the bible tells us in due time, a "third of the stars" [or elders] will be "thrown down by the dragon's tail" [or Governing Body] to subdue the "reform" movement. What's found below, could very well suggest such a possibillity of horrendous occurrences, actually forming among Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation, in the near future. -- See Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:4.

Please check out this link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/frie ... xTJAuNdWSo

(Please find below a copy of the correspondence.)

agape,

Donald C. Burney

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Posted by: iloowy
Date: August 24, 2008

The following is a translation of a message to EXTJ.com/foro (let's call it the Spanish JWD)

The poster "jerubaal1914" from Spain is very respected and has been a good source of inside info.

Below I've done a quick translation of his message and quote the original in Spanish at:

http://www.extj.com/foro/view_topic.php ... forum_id=1

Hello friends. Yesterday, apart from some sad events, I had a very interesting day, too interesting, and I must tell you what. After going to the cinema, as I said before in another thread, I received a surprising call from an acquaintance, a district overseer in Spain--for whatever reason I happened to have my cell phone with me--and he told me “I need to talk to you. I'm with someone else”. I thought he was referring to my father.

The truth is that I got nervous, I couldn’t help it. I told him that we could have dinner together, and he asked me to please use discretion. And he had plenty of motives to be discreet. We went to dinner at a famous restaurant in Madrid.

My surprise was when he introduced me to the third person in question--a circuit overseer. Imagine the situation. I had to swallow hard because I did not know what was going on.

I did not know what to say. For a moment I thought they were going to talk to me about the discussion forum, everything that I was saying there, and they were going to threaten me with something ... but it didn’t go like that at all.

He (the DO) began to speak in a tone of voice very different from the Assemblies. His first speech was: Do not worry: We're just as fed up as you are.

Dear forum buddies, let me tell you, dinner lasted for over three hours. I do not want to recount every expression and information discussed because the locations and situations can give a lot away, but I can tell you that what I have been told are gems. I’ll tell you some, though.

The DO told me: “We are tired of Bethel and Brooklyn regulations.” He began telling me how they are instructed on supervising circuits, and how their only goal is that everything be done according to the ways of Brooklyn and their guidelines. Whatever else Brooklyn doesn’t care how it’s done. He told me about the arrangement of the Book Study, that deleting it has not settled very well with the WT purists and those who are not, because they have left us with "our asses in the air."

The CO told me that he’d been requested lists of brothers both Ministerial Servants and Elders who’ve been regularly missing the Book Studies so as to remove their privileges, and that now "what were they going to do."

The CO told me that more and more congregations are becoming more independent, that he understands why, and that there are bodies of elders who surpass Bethel Olympicicly, and what that means. Because he also does. In his own words he said: "for years now the talk outlines have me by the b***s " (I won’t say the profanity he used).

The CO drew from the right pocket of his Summer jacket, by the way a brand name one, a letter .... guess which one! The outline of the meeting of Elders and MS with the Circuit Overseer. And he had underlined the words: “family needs are secondary.” Does that sound familiar? He told me it was the most absurd thing he’d ever heard. He got a little more heated and said: “F**k’em up the a**.”

So now I told them: “Well, and why talk to me about this? I don’t know anything” I said. “I don’t understand.” Until this moment, I was quiet and waited to see whether it was a conversation-trap.

The replied that they know about me, and that if I chose to leave as a JW it was for a good reason. They told me they knew of my conversations with other elders (How ???), and that what I thought and I said in my committee was the same thing the majority of CO’s and DO’s were thinking... I asked them how it was they knew what I’d been saying at these meetings. They answered with: "Do you need to ask or are you telling us?"

They told me that they are privy to letters that get passed around between very important members of Bethel (Spain Branch) and the Society, and that people very HIGH UP in Bethel tell them everything up to the second. They didn’t name names... but said "let us say that if I were the branch committee, I’d be wary of EVERYONE at my table. Verbatim Text of the DO. He told me: “I can read up to here."

Here comes the funny part. They asked me to please join this forum EXTJ.COM, that many CO’s read the forum more that their own Watchtower, and publish letters they will give me, or comments they make to me, because they can communicate with other CO’s this way. Mary, David ... are you hallucinating? I spoke of the forum, and some of those who post here. Mary, David, once again ... Did you know that you are the new Watchtower in many circuits?

They told me they have suspicions of having "spies" behind, and assured me that Bethel has begun a witch hunt, as they are very nervous with people who are giving inside information. They told me that in Bethel nobody dares to send e-mails with "sensitive" information, because they fear that they are spying on the computers.

Well, then we talked about doctrines and started to laugh at Daniel and Revelation. One of them, with a glass of wine, told me: “What do I look like, Rutherford?”

I swear it’s like I was having hallucinations. I did not know that until this point how things were. They told me that they are embarrassed to do the Book Study with Revelation, and that when they're in meetings, sometimes they go to the lobby so as not to listen to the nonsense, making like they’re going over paperwork. Hallucinating it seemed, friends of the forum.

Incidentally, the CO’s tongue was getting warmed up, he told me: I’ve been tired of the circuit for quite a while. Let’s see if I can get drunk and they’ll assign me to Bethel, like they did Juan V. (those in Spain know who I’m talking about)

Forum members ... Do you know that I'm still feeling like it was a hallucination? I’ll tell you more things the next time. But I assure you that this is the strangest thing that has ever happened to me. By the way, finally, I told them that I would join the forum.

CO and DO if you are reading my post, you know who I am. Since I told you that night that there would be a surprise.

End of correspondence

[Apollyon (Revelation 9:11)]

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES/WATCHTOWER SOCIETY HAVE REACHED "CRITICAL MASS" - says ex-Circuit Overseer


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Posted by "XElder" who copied info originally posted by "Seeker4" (who had the experience with the Circuit Overseer and has a current membership on JWD) on H2O Discussion Board on July 13, 2000 at 12:00:52 {rN3hpWrs1Eubi2TgJVEgd9BhHXgWag}:


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JUST TALKED WITH MY OLD CIRCUIT OVERSEER


A former CO that served my congregation when I was an elder was visiting the area and looked me up - despite knowing I was no longer a JW. He serves as an elder in a congregation on the other side of the country (US) now, but we were very good friends when he was my CO about a decade ago. Went out of circuit work about five years back.


Thought some might be interested in a few things we talked about in a long, three hour conversation.

He says he's working to overcome a deep and intense anger against the Watchtower Society for the way its misled so many for so long, and that he feels the organization is accountable not only for that, but also for the hundreds of lives damaged and lost due to following WTS policies that have now changed (alternative military service, blood, transplants, dialysis, etc.).


He said he no longer has faith in much of anything that the F&DS prints in the literature. His experiences in the traveling work and with over 50 years as a Witness has convinced him that the Society has very little concern for individual friends, and is mainly focused on keeping itself going, a sentiment that he said was shared by many of the DOs he worked with, including one who told him that "the Mormons treat their members better than we do!"


In recent talks with a couple who were formerly missionaries, and who now serve in a US congregation, the couple told him they feel that the Organization is floundering, that it is essentially a "rudderless ship" without any leadership. He talked freely about the "liberal and conservative" elements at Bethel who are struggling against each other to make some sort of sense about where the WTS is headed, and how it will handle the mess it's in. This is from a Brother with lots of organizational responsibility as an elder and mucho connections among the traveling brothers and at Bethel.


Though my views would be considered apostate by a lot of JWs, he essentially agreed with me about the problems in the Organization that drove me away, and went on to assure me that many, many elders he's been able to talk with recently in his area and in mine, have feelings not that far from my own, including brothers who are in the traveling work. He said he has consistently been cautioned by traveling brothers in recent years to be careful about anything he writes to the Society, as the WTS is, in his words, "terribly afraid of apostates."


Quality of meetings and assemblies have really fallen off, he said, with brothers just dryly repeating the same old cliches, fearing to vary from WTS manuscripts and outlines, and fearing to say anything that could begin to be viewed as controversial. He made the comment that "no one" in the congregations any longer believes that the End Is Near, noting that the Society's attempt to boost field service by lowering pioneer hours was an abject failure. The friends have lost any sense of urgency in the work. He said that at a meeting of traveling brothers with reps from the Gov. Body in the mid-90s, the brothers were deeply concerned then about the drop off in meeting attendance, field service, etc. He said the Bethel bros. told them at the time that meeting attendance nationally was running at about 60%! (Can you imagine what it is now?) The brothers wanted the COs to tell them what was happening among the friends and what they should do, but when some COs suggested the need to drop the idea of handing in time, back off from making rules in areas not specifically covered by Scriptures, emphasizing Scriptural principles instead of making rules, coming clean on mistakes and screwups, etc., the Society ignored them. It was felt that any loosening of control by the WTS would result in many Friends leaving, or the WTS itself losing credibility. The comment was made that if the Society stopped having the friends hand in time, at least half would no longer go out. My CO friend said that the WTS is so used to using coercive measures like handing in time, talks about the need to do more, etc. etc., that they cannot see another way of operating. He says he thinks the Society will soon drop the handing in time requirement and make other changes, and that it will mean literally millions will leave the Organization, but they will have to do it or die out. I told him I didn't think the Society would ever reform, and he told me that other elders he had recently talked with told him the same thing. I think he hopes it can, or feels that it has to in order to survive.


Then he mentioned a couple of really interesting things. He said that if it weren't for the growth among the Spanish speaking, the work would essentially be dead in certain parts of this country. He said an English congregation in his area had just been disbanded because there were no longer enough going to the meetings to support it. It was combined with another English congregation nearby. He said he doubted if the growth among the Spanish in this country and others, and the growth in the third world, would continue for much longer as the people in these lands gained greater self-sufficiency and intellectual freedom and moved away from the idea of needing to be told what to do.


Then he dropped this bomb. He said that he felt the problems in the WTS had reached "critical mass" and something dramatic would have to be done by the WTS very soon in order to salvage the organization. Either way, he said, he felt we would soon see a mass exodus of literally millions of Witnesses, because under the present course, the Society has been totally unable to maintain any sense of urgency in the preaching work, and has failed to focus the friends on the Bible principles and Christlike way of life that would give them the foundation to want to remain an active Witness.


Until the last few months, I had felt that it would be years before things came to a head with the WTS. But in the past few weeks I've had conversations with several active Witnesses, all of whom have expressed feelings similar to this former CO. Somehow I think that the jump into the new century has also created a psychological shift among many Witnesses, and more and more active Witnesses, including elders and others in responsibility, are becoming less and less afraid to talk about what they see as serious organizational problems that are just getting worse.


It was strange to hear this brother, an active elder with years of full-time service under his belt and a lifetime as a Witness, saying essentially the same things I'm hearing here on H2O. He said he felt there was a "flood" of people leaving the WTS for essentially the same reasons I had, and that this would force some sort of changes and reform. Anyone else getting any of these same vibes? I know reform is a lot to ask, but anyone else hearing about this wave of discontent in the Organization from people in the know? Frankly, I'm surprised - I didn't expect this much this soon.


Seeker4


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